I heard that due to detoriating german armor plates late in the war, all post 1944 tanks is gonna have they armor value reduced by 20%, according to Kubinka tests, after several 122mm hits 200mm plates were penetrated, shattered and bent even though they werent supposed to be penetraded
Simply stating facts, you can be in denial, but the tests showed it. Like Tiger 2, and later tanks should have lower armor. I can't even damage a Tiger 2 or Ferdinand with my IS D25T, but those test clearly showed they were destroyed
That was due to the lack of molybdenum. They used some other stuff to harden their armor plates instead which made it hard but fracturable. Killed a lot of King Tiger crews without penetrating the armor. Ma_Wo
"Simply a fact"? :| And the Moon is round, therefore your argument is invalid.
Plus something that mission-kills the tank via crew death by spalling even when the shell doesn't punch through doesn't quite meet my criteria for good armour. But I guess fanbois do things differently.
I read interesting article today, that all maintenance of servers and game development is fully paid from only RU server, all others servers are pure income. So he can troll, and dont need to give a fook about customers ^^
@ SerB Nope, Löwe is your one german heavy that sucks (48,39%). Your TigerP is really badass(63,1%) and your VK4502AusfB isnt bad either (59,68%). I think a nerf for VK4502AusfB and TigerP should be appropriate. In the same time a 10HP buff for the Löwe should do the trick.
And the Germans have complexes because no German is good enough to create a game as successful as WoT, also some of them perform so badly in this game that they have to look at RUSSIAN BIAS to justify their lack of skill.
I doubt that modern Russian MBTs are on paar with any modern western MBT, but saying about historical period 1943-1960 the only nation had tanks wich could compete with USSR's vehicles was USA. And it was a big question, whould American tanks win...
You guys are full of shit propaganda...just look at some historical statistics there were single german tanks that destroyed dozens of russian or american tanks...take the case of wittman for example , and there were many more. The allies won because of their numbers and their resources advantage.( And maybe because hitler's bad decisions ) Still...numbers show that german tanks outperformed other nations tanks. Stop listening to shit nowadays propaganda, you will become full idiots if you do so.
Additionally, all those kills were because they had 100% crew with 6 skills/perks while the Allies had 50-75% crew. Not just because of how good the tanks were.
Good job shooting yourself in the foot by quoting Wittman as a good tanker since most of his accomplishments are SS tier propaganda. And there were plenty of cases were allied tanks took out large numbers of "superior" german tanks, Pegov ring a bell?
Also do realize that allies lost plenty of tanks to other things than german tanks. If we look simply into the number of tanks, Finland had a tank kdr of 100 to 1 in the Winter war. Joke is that Finland had around 30 tanks(Vickers and FT-17) and russian lost theirs to poor terrain, training and infantry AT weapons. Same thing with Germany versus allies.
And besides, it was the Pz.IV and Stugs that did most of the work, with the big cats causing most damage in the spare parts department. Not saying that Tigers for example didn't wreck stuff on occasion, but they are given way too much credit.
The Heavy Tiger Battalions were the deadliest German Forces on the battlefield, so there cant be given enough credit for their battle performance.
Germans had several Tiger Battalions called Schwere Panzerabteilungen. They were clearly the Kings on the battlefield. They had a combat kill/loss ratio 12:1 above all of them. The highest ratio was 50:1 from SS-Abteilung 103.
So they are far from being a sidenote. They were the best there was.
That's not very difficult when at the time nobody carries enough gun to kill you. But by that selfsame token the Char B1, Matilda Senior and KV-1 were ALSO "the best there was" since the German tanks basically couldn't do Jack Shit to them with their dinky early-war guns.
I believe this thing you're doing here is known as "double standards" in agrarian societies. Some experts disagree and argue it's "fanboi tunnel vision" instead.
Wittman was a good tanker, but also had a great crew. However, he was also full of himself, believing to be invincible. That was what probably cost him his life.
German (or any other nations for that matter) heavy tank battalions were shock troops, a spearhead to perform breakthroughs.
German ones had the most impressive battle record of them all, by far. However, they were a couple of hundred tanks in a war where there were tens of thousands of enemy tanks. They were simply too few in numbers and battlefield was too large, for them to achieve anything but local superiority.
I didnt say other nations had not better tanks before that in WW2, but its just false to say "the cats caused most damage in the spare parts department", when the tigers alone in fact destroyed ~10k tanks in like 2 years.
They didnt "wreck stuff on occasion", they wrecked almost everything they met. And thats exactly, why they achieved legend status.
I have to transport 20 workers from city A to city B. Which cars are better for this task: 4 Toyota Prius or 10 Lamborghini Gallardo?
U have to understand: the MAIN task for tanks is to breakthrough the lines and make damage behind the enemy lines. Destroying enemy tanks is just one additional task. German tanks are indeed the best tanks for this !one! !additional! task.
Sovjets won the war on the Ostfront, because they had best tanks for their doctrine. Germans lost, because they had shitty tanks for their doctrine. Easy, huh?
German Tiger battalions were never used appropriate for their doctrine until February 1945 in Operation Südwind.
The new Panzerwaffe was so badly needed on the front, that they were split up and used contrary to their doctrine mostly as infantry support or defensive unit.
But seeing as how not too long after it entered service the Germans were on a fighting retreat on all fronts it duly tended to mostly fight as a defensive strongpoint. Ironically enough it was probably better at that than in its doctrinal primary mission since that allowed it to better play on its strenghts...
Public debt as % of GDP (2012) Germany = 80,5 Russia = 11,0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
And dont get me started on wasting taxes in good ol Germany. Like an "Autobahn-greenbridge" for 2.600.000€ for 9(!) wild cats. http://schwarzbuch.steuerzahler.de/Schwarzbuch/4213b1605/index.html?katalogkey=%7B%22search_katitemauswid%22%3A%7B%227%22%3A%5B342%5D%7D%7D
Bigger bank doesnt mean that people can deal better with money.
Then again the Russian national budget basically sinks or swims according to the vagaries of oil and gas world-market prices, which in essence means the national economy is structurally pretty close to a Third World raw-material exporter.
Dunno why the Russian economy is supposed to be in any way topical given that the last I checked WG was based in Belarus instead, and I'd be very surprised if they hadn't long ago parked all of their jewgolds they could into offshore tax havens like any sensible modern business anyway...
cant stand this nosy bastard. wot is instable and going more shitty every day. they have enuff important things to do (in their stinking office in minsk).
Except for the fact that SerB is no longer in charge of adjusting tank performances. He might be able to give some advices, but I don't think he's still manipulating things.
I recently heard that this guy is the boss of balancing department now: http://worldoftanks.ru/community/accounts/408/
When in comes to nerf/buff of the tank: only winrate on it is taken into account?
Lets say: all good players play Lowe - so its winrate gets up - so it will get nerfed. and on the other hand: all says that RUS tanks are OP - so every newbee trys to get IS-7 .. and plays a shit with it so global statistic shows IS-7 winrate is below average - we need to buff it
Perhaps, but most of good players have better prem tanks then Lowe, which is in my opinion played mostly by new players who don't understand tanks stats yet.
Well, still prem tanks have different winratios. Sure, one can play well with every tank, but that does not mean all the tanks are perfectly balanced. And Typ 59 + KV 5 are best prem tanks game-wise (not specific-player-stats wise), so they have to remove them from in-game shop.
Enough already - I come here for the tank porn and a KV-4's arse after it distroyed is better looking than SerB on a good day. Put something else up please.
It could use less A-Team Firing, Plot Armor and shameless handwaving but good Lord it's one of the funniest things I've watched in a while. Doesn't hurt that it's fully aware of how retarded its premises are and unapologetically refuses to give a damn. :D (Also "Katyusha" got added to my "WoT BGM" PoopTube playlist inside ten minutes of the episode ending.)
He should stop dressing like in the 80's.
ReplyDeleteThat man is at least 50 years old. That's why he dresses like in the 80's. ;)
DeleteEastern Europe/ Russia is still living in the 80s.
DeleteWhile half the US is still living in the 1950s.
DeleteSays guy that probably cant point Eastern Europe/Russia on map ;)
DeleteIn Soviet Russia, 80's clothing wears YOU!
DeleteSerB - Ghostcrawler mode ON.
ReplyDeletewell, at least ghostcrawler knows his shit
DeleteDespite being a German tank player I cannot help but love the guy.
ReplyDelete-ChielScape
Agreed.
Delete-romarkov
I heard that due to detoriating german armor plates late in the war, all post 1944 tanks is gonna have they armor value reduced by 20%, according to Kubinka tests, after several 122mm hits 200mm plates were penetrated, shattered and bent even though they werent supposed to be penetraded
ReplyDelete/Sergej
do you really trust the russian propaganda shit...
Deletethey are simply big liars as you can see ingame
Simply stating facts, you can be in denial, but the tests showed it. Like Tiger 2, and later tanks should have lower armor. I can't even damage a Tiger 2 or Ferdinand with my IS D25T, but those test clearly showed they were destroyed
Delete/Sergej
source?
DeleteThat was due to the lack of molybdenum. They used some other stuff to harden their armor plates instead which made it hard but fracturable. Killed a lot of King Tiger crews without penetrating the armor.
DeleteMa_Wo
Less good then early German armor still better/as good as sowjet/allied armor.
DeleteSimply a fact.
"Simply a fact"?
Delete:|
And the Moon is round, therefore your argument is invalid.
Plus something that mission-kills the tank via crew death by spalling even when the shell doesn't punch through doesn't quite meet my criteria for good armour. But I guess fanbois do things differently.
Lol this is SerB? I thought this was some WG press guy...
ReplyDeleteYep, this is SerB
DeleteInteresting since he is not really nice to his customers in Q/A sometimes. Guess business is going well...
DeleteI read interesting article today, that all maintenance of servers and game development is fully paid from only RU server, all others servers are pure income. So he can troll, and dont need to give a fook about customers ^^
DeleteLink to article?
DeleteAenaes.
I feel as though a "Buff my tank" Lowe edition may be needed.
ReplyDelete:/
Or maybe Learn 2 Play edition of your gameplay? Because i play my Lowe like a boss
Delete@ SerB
DeleteNope, Löwe is your one german heavy that sucks (48,39%).
Your TigerP is really badass(63,1%) and your VK4502AusfB isnt bad either (59,68%).
I think a nerf for VK4502AusfB and TigerP should be appropriate. In the same time a 10HP buff for the Löwe should do the trick.
lol, I doubt this is actually serb. meanwhile... I do pretty well in my lowe
DeleteWorking as intended.
ReplyDeletehttp://imgur.com/dqtxDd6
the russians have just complexes because german tanks were/are better in reality....
ReplyDeleteso true
Deletei hope WG will fire SerB and Storm so we can get a proper balance... but this will never happen
What do you mean with "are better"?
DeleteModern RUS tanks are at least on par with german armor in the MBT compartment and MUCH better regarding IFV or AA.
And the Germans have complexes because no German is good enough to create a game as successful as WoT, also some of them perform so badly in this game that they have to look at RUSSIAN BIAS to justify their lack of skill.
Delete"better" - comments like that ignore all historical evidence with a blanket statement rooted in nothing.
DeleteUSSR beat the Germans, both forced each other to innovate and depending which year of the war you're talking about each side had a "better" tank.
This comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteI doubt that modern Russian MBTs are on paar with any modern western MBT, but saying about historical period 1943-1960 the only nation had tanks wich could compete with USSR's vehicles was USA. And it was a big question, whould American tanks win...
DeleteYou guys are full of shit propaganda...just look at some historical statistics there were single german tanks that destroyed dozens of russian or american tanks...take the case of wittman for example , and there were many more. The allies won because of their numbers and their resources advantage.( And maybe because hitler's bad decisions ) Still...numbers show that german tanks outperformed other nations tanks. Stop listening to shit nowadays propaganda, you will become full idiots if you do so.
DeleteAdditionally, all those kills were because they had 100% crew with 6 skills/perks while the Allies had 50-75% crew. Not just because of how good the tanks were.
Delete@silviu geo
DeleteGood job shooting yourself in the foot by quoting Wittman as a good tanker since most of his accomplishments are SS tier propaganda. And there were plenty of cases were allied tanks took out large numbers of "superior" german tanks, Pegov ring a bell?
Also do realize that allies lost plenty of tanks to other things than german tanks. If we look simply into the number of tanks, Finland had a tank kdr of 100 to 1 in the Winter war. Joke is that Finland had around 30 tanks(Vickers and FT-17) and russian lost theirs to poor terrain, training and infantry AT weapons. Same thing with Germany versus allies.
And besides, it was the Pz.IV and Stugs that did most of the work, with the big cats causing most damage in the spare parts department. Not saying that Tigers for example didn't wreck stuff on occasion, but they are given way too much credit.
Goblin_5
The Heavy Tiger Battalions were the deadliest German Forces on the battlefield, so there cant be given enough credit for their battle performance.
DeleteGermans had several Tiger Battalions called Schwere Panzerabteilungen. They were clearly the Kings on the battlefield. They had a combat kill/loss ratio 12:1 above all of them. The highest ratio was 50:1 from SS-Abteilung 103.
So they are far from being a sidenote. They were the best there was.
That's not very difficult when at the time nobody carries enough gun to kill you. But by that selfsame token the Char B1, Matilda Senior and KV-1 were ALSO "the best there was" since the German tanks basically couldn't do Jack Shit to them with their dinky early-war guns.
DeleteI believe this thing you're doing here is known as "double standards" in agrarian societies. Some experts disagree and argue it's "fanboi tunnel vision" instead.
Wittman was a good tanker, but also had a great crew. However, he was also full of himself, believing to be invincible. That was what probably cost him his life.
DeleteGerman (or any other nations for that matter) heavy tank battalions were shock troops, a spearhead to perform breakthroughs.
German ones had the most impressive battle record of them all, by far. However, they were a couple of hundred tanks in a war where there were tens of thousands of enemy tanks. They were simply too few in numbers and battlefield was too large, for them to achieve anything but local superiority.
--
ActionMan
I didnt say other nations had not better tanks before that in WW2, but its just false to say "the cats caused most damage in the spare parts department", when the tigers alone in fact destroyed ~10k tanks in like 2 years.
DeleteThey didnt "wreck stuff on occasion", they wrecked almost everything they met. And thats exactly, why they achieved legend status.
Kennung - EU
I have to transport 20 workers from city A to city B. Which cars are better for this task: 4 Toyota Prius or 10 Lamborghini Gallardo?
DeleteU have to understand: the MAIN task for tanks is to breakthrough the lines and make damage behind the enemy lines. Destroying enemy tanks is just one additional task. German tanks are indeed the best tanks for this !one! !additional! task.
Sovjets won the war on the Ostfront, because they had best tanks for their doctrine. Germans lost, because they had shitty tanks for their doctrine. Easy, huh?
I think you dont understand a thing.
DeleteGerman Tiger battalions were never used appropriate for their doctrine until February 1945 in Operation Südwind.
The new Panzerwaffe was so badly needed on the front, that they were split up and used contrary to their doctrine mostly as infantry support or defensive unit.
Now you're just being unfair. The Tiger was just fine for the whole raison d'étre of heavy tanks, ie. spearheading important offensives. Like every other member of the class it was never meant to be produced or employed in very large numbers but rather to serve as a "special reserve" for priority operations - the gruntwork was as always up to the far cheaper ergo more numerous as well as more versatile medium tanks.
DeleteBut seeing as how not too long after it entered service the Germans were on a fighting retreat on all fronts it duly tended to mostly fight as a defensive strongpoint. Ironically enough it was probably better at that than in its doctrinal primary mission since that allowed it to better play on its strenghts...
True, it seems they were better in the role they got in the end, then what they were build for.
DeleteKennung - EU
hey serb stop posting as anonymous!
ReplyDeleteRAZORLIGHT, dont you have some crying and/or whining to do? Is it one of those days in the mont?
DeleteSer8
serb doesn't know engrish, only soviet ;)
Deletehe already did an english Q&A...
DeleteSerB: 1 - German cry kids: 0
:P
You just have to love this guy... trolling at its best....
ReplyDeleteHes not joking, mind my words :D
ReplyDeleteDoes it mean they doing something bad with the new and upcoming med line? Or maybe it's already f**** up? ;)
ReplyDeleteBut in Soviet Russia, tank nerfs you...
ReplyDeleteto sum it up:
ReplyDeletebiggest bank in germany is also the biggest in the world: Deutsche bank. (2.7t$ assets)
biggest bank in russia; sber bank, ranked after 50 (0.3t$ assets)
ps - not a fan of germany, but...
Public debt as % of GDP (2012)
DeleteGermany = 80,5
Russia = 11,0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
And dont get me started on wasting taxes in good ol Germany.
Like an "Autobahn-greenbridge" for 2.600.000€ for 9(!) wild cats.
http://schwarzbuch.steuerzahler.de/Schwarzbuch/4213b1605/index.html?katalogkey=%7B%22search_katitemauswid%22%3A%7B%227%22%3A%5B342%5D%7D%7D
Bigger bank doesnt mean that people can deal better with money.
btw JOSEF Ackermann is not a German ^^!! and DBank is a Privet Bank!
DeleteSo we need to nerf German banks and buff russian banks? Are they in any way historically accurate ATM? When are chinese banks gonna be implemented?
DeleteGoblin_5
What has any bank to do with WoT??? Wait for World of Banks and then comment about German, Russian or Polish banks.
DeletePS: Does anyone knows if everyone screams SIEMA!! when you enter a polish bank?
Then again the Russian national budget basically sinks or swims according to the vagaries of oil and gas world-market prices, which in essence means the national economy is structurally pretty close to a Third World raw-material exporter.
DeleteDunno why the Russian economy is supposed to be in any way topical given that the last I checked WG was based in Belarus instead, and I'd be very surprised if they hadn't long ago parked all of their jewgolds they could into offshore tax havens like any sensible modern business anyway...
Damn, I would play the hell out of World of Banks :D
Deletecant stand this nosy bastard.
ReplyDeletewot is instable and going more shitty every day.
they have enuff important things to do (in their stinking office in minsk).
with such a face, everyday is halloween !
Noisy*, unstable*, is going*, enough* but i would use more form
Deletenarf narf narf..... german eh? ;-)
DeleteWith such a brain...I bet everyday it's a battle for survival for you....I'm amazed you made it so far...
DeleteA lot of serb's buttlickers on this blog it seems
DeleteNot your opinion? Call em "buttlickers" :P
Deletewhat is serb going to do with his old clothes?
ReplyDelete...wearing.....................
oh my god
ReplyDeleteExcept for the fact that SerB is no longer in charge of adjusting tank performances. He might be able to give some advices, but I don't think he's still manipulating things.
ReplyDeleteI recently heard that this guy is the boss of balancing department now:
http://worldoftanks.ru/community/accounts/408/
WN6 2355
DeleteWR 75%
Lorraine 161/174 92,53%
sweet mother of god!
yep, him
Deletehttp://alexkosh88.at.ua/_ph/17/2/122160796.jpg
True, his name is Pavel Myreyev (Павел Мыреев) aka Zlobny
DeleteAnother one - Veider
Deletehttp://worldoftanks.ru/community/accounts/3974-veider/
http://mirtankov.su/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_page_600px/img/stanislav-kargin.jpg
who ever writs under the "serB" nick, he is not serb! i dont think he will waste his time with that shit or in some blogs...
ReplyDeleteand not all hate him, yes i started to like him.
and all this talking about german up - russian op is full of shit
probably he or some of his spitlickers r reading this blog anyway. so lets all say: HELLO U BIASED RUSSIAN JELLY FISH! HAVE A NICE DAY!
ReplyDeleteHeil to the german-biased/anti-russian-biased :)
DeleteGOD how i hate this guy...i'm even angered by his nick cause i'm a Serb...i know it is short from Sergey B. but still...
ReplyDeleteUterujem_Dobro
Idiot
DeleteYou my friend have and anger management problem, plus, what the other guy said before me, are an idiot.
DeleteYou are a serb idiot.
When in comes to nerf/buff of the tank: only winrate on it is taken into account?
ReplyDeleteLets say: all good players play Lowe - so its winrate gets up - so it will get nerfed. and on the other hand: all says that RUS tanks are OP - so every newbee trys to get IS-7 .. and plays a shit with it so global statistic shows IS-7 winrate is below average - we need to buff it
Is it how it goes ?
Perhaps, but most of good players have better prem tanks then Lowe, which is in my opinion played mostly by new players who don't understand tanks stats yet.
DeleteU are wrong, there is no better prem tanks them lowe, just similar, what makes you choose a prem tank is the way you play and the nation you are into.
DeleteWell, still prem tanks have different winratios. Sure, one can play well with every tank, but that does not mean all the tanks are perfectly balanced. And Typ 59 + KV 5 are best prem tanks game-wise (not specific-player-stats wise), so they have to remove them from in-game shop.
DeleteWinratio from EU server last 2 weeks:
DeleteLowe - 48.5
Is 6 - 49.83
KV5 - 51.26
8.8 JagdTiger - 46.84
T34 - 49.66
T26E4 - 48.89
Typ 59 - 50.85
FCM 50t - 47.41
When SerB is sad, he just thinks about nerfing german tanks and his mood is over hysterical :D
ReplyDeleteWhy nobody writes on the blog about 121 tier 10 chinese , it worth the grind ? or some cons , somebody help !
ReplyDeleteGet your anon ass to forums.
DeleteEnough already - I come here for the tank porn and a KV-4's arse after it distroyed is better looking than SerB on a good day. Put something else up please.
ReplyDeleteHerman
If you want tank porn, then you should watch Girls und Panzer. :3
Delete-orzel286
It could use less A-Team Firing, Plot Armor and shameless handwaving but good Lord it's one of the funniest things I've watched in a while. Doesn't hurt that it's fully aware of how retarded its premises are and unapologetically refuses to give a damn. :D
Delete(Also "Katyusha" got added to my "WoT BGM" PoopTube playlist inside ten minutes of the episode ending.)
No wonder Serb Trolls as much as he does. Looking like that the first 20 years of his life must have been hell, now it's payback time for him.
ReplyDeleteThird pic is epic.
ReplyDeleteKennung
Sheer Rage Comic material if I ever saw it.
DeleteLOL I wanted to post the link on WOT-forum EU, but this pops up: "You have entered a link to a website that the administrator does not allow links to"
ReplyDeleteftw-blog is considered the "empire of evil" by WG-EU!
DeleteUse an URL shorting service, then try to enter a link for the EU forums.
DeleteURL shorteners include:
goo.gl ; https://bitly.com/ ; tinyurl.com ; is.gd ; ow.ly ; tr.im
He could do a homeless man cosplay without even cosplaying!
ReplyDeleteROFL
DeleteThird pic looks like Gollum finally found White Castle...
ReplyDeleteOh, my favourite bald cunt!! All heil SerBofag!!11
ReplyDeletesomeone should ask serb on ru forums, if this serb here is actually serb xD
ReplyDeleteThis SerB guy must be filthy rich ... because there is absolutely no reason for looking that st00pid otherwise.
ReplyDeleteIs it just me, or does SerB actually always look like some random homeless guy? :D
ReplyDeleteSd_Kfz_186
Eh, 3/10 would not be trolled by again.
ReplyDeleteSorry Serb, we're going to have to put you out to pasture.
this is how to make money ......
ReplyDeleteJust have a look at the responses of players from SEA Server, you might have a fresh insight :)
ReplyDeletehttp://forum.worldoftanks-sea.com/index.php?/topic/16318-the-fate-of-german-tanks/page__fromsearch__1