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Apr 29, 2013

The_Chieftain on 8.6

First, a quote from The_Chieftain on 8.6 (27th April, 12:05):
Well, I've seen the 8.6 notes, and they are far more significant than I had been led to believe. Arty is, as the devs on the Russian forum reported, getting a major re-work, some things I think are good, some not so good. We'll see how it pans out. Arty isn't the only thing getting significantly changed either. The 'nuclear' comment is somewhat justified.

Now I am curious :) Truth to be told, I expect some change of gold-ammo-for-creds type: useful for some but controversial for others. Sexton I and Excelsior are also scheduled to appear.

102 comments:

  1. Whoa, major rework ? Srsly ? How does this rework will look like if the major problem was it's big popularity ?


    I bet the word "nuclear" appears for a reason :3

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    1. It'd be interesting if they gave indirect fire sights to tanks that were supposed to have them, ala the SU-76 and such.

      Also, nuclear shells confirmed for the ISU-152's gold round?

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    2. Sure, soon as the Tesla Tanks are in. :v

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    3. I'm in for a T12 Baneblade

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    4. rm -rf artillery

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    5. +1 for the *nix command.

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  2. we can only wish they rework that "gold for credits" system.. but who knows, wishes sometimes do come true :P

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    1. best way can be introduce a new coin that can only be earned by medals or every time you play and do something.

      gold ammo will be able to be bought with those or gold, no credits.

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    2. How come you don't know it will stay for good ?

      Barely 5% of people use gold shells so there's no need to remove it

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    3. %5 of people? I beg to differ, nearly in every battle people shooting gold rounds at me. It can easily tell since I see blue and orange tracers going my and team mates direction. This is serious problem.

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    4. gold ammo needs to go away from random battles, I have no problem with keeping it as an option for CW, TCs and training
      but, for randoms .. NO!

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    5. I see no problem with people using gold ammo. I don't use it and I don't mind when my enemy uses it. It's part of the game and it's expensive as hell so why not?

      A good player will always know how to deal with any kind of ammo. A bad player will always complain about everything.

      I like the fact that WG made this feature available for in game currency.

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    6. The less P2Win the better.

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    7. My hotchkiss agrees wit hall of you

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    8. @Kellomies
      there is not less p2w, there is more
      as Mao above you said: it's expensive
      so, who has access to credits more? a free player or a player who has a premium account and a premium tank

      WG said only 5% of the population uses gold ammo, it's a lie!

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    9. Remember, if you know how to pen enemy tanks, you're using pay to win gold. Sort of like how dying after driving your Tiger out into open ground means Russian Bias.

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    10. @ XT-Reality
      Gold rounds do not have a different tracer colour, you can't tell who's shooting premium that way.

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    11. I don't fire gold rounds but easy solution to your problem: get a job

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  3. I would love them to change the ammo system:
    Ap
    - medium dmg and medium pen
    APCR and Heat
    - low dmg and high pen (HESH can stay as it is)
    HE
    - high dmg(+explosion/splash) and low pen.

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    1. The obvious and rational approach? noob. ;)

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    2. There isn't any reason to make APCR/HEAT do less damage other than simply being arbitrary.

      I think they're either inverting the normalization, doing a massive rework of how caliber relates to damage (possibly incorporating velocity), or both.

      Maybe completely redoing the guns on one or more nations, as well.

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    3. Yeah but it would bring back the game to its roots where ppl had to learn the weakspots (or with this new ammo "system" instead deal less dmg).

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    4. APCR has a smaller projectile inside it. THE 128mm APCR has an 88MM tungsten round inside.

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    5. But higher velocity, thus higher kinetic energy (v is squared, mass is not).

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    6. But no bursting charges.

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  4. Can't wait, but want to know what's happening to the Arty branches ASAP as me and my clan are all grinding like crazy on these to try to get ahead of the game/changes
    I know we have had a glimpse of the new tanks, but want to see them in the tree, along with costs and kit etc.

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  5. I bet that whatever it is, It will send the E-100 back to oblivion. Once again.

    As much as I hate the HEAT mechanics, it's the only thing that makes the E-100 still somewhat viable.

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    1. pfff, E-100 is fine with 15cm AP rounds, you just need to aim carefully and thx to the armor you had the time to do so

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    2. this is so wrong its not even funny. the E-100 is not viable in competitive games without HEAT, 234 pen in a heavy tier 10 game... tell me where the weak spot on an is7, is4, MAUS T110E4 is that you can pen with only 234mm. Lower front hulls are too strong at tier 10 to be penned by AP, the gun is too inaccurate to reliable fire at hatches, and will ricochet off the t110e5s hatch even with a good hit.

      and the armour isn't that good... especially in world of gold... you are playing this tank wrong and I guarantee IF you even have one... that your stats are garbage.

      Source 2.7k Avg Damage E-100 player with 60% W/R

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    3. my stats: 3044 avg dmg (decreased after gold introduction), 68% WR, mostly solo
      LFP of most tanks even on tier 10 are reliable to penetrate with 235mm penetration. Its getting tricky, when they start angling their tanks, but then you can go in close range and just brawl, which actually is the right tactic vs. Maus, T110E3 and sometimes IS-4, too

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    4. I stand corrected, my experience was mainly taken from CW, I hadn't really considered pubstomping, you should have a youtube channel!

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    5. since i have a fare share of CW knowledge: you can use the E-100 on some maps, then ofc you should spray gold but enemies do that too, so you shouldnt care (5 E-100s on Ensk can rip everything apart)

      and i should stream, but my PC broke and my laptop isnt strong enough to stream (it just manages to reach playable fps on standard graphic)
      and i actually have three youtube videos on my channel

      but you can watch my replays ...

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  6. Well i think there will be a lot of changes which will cause some major whining, that's for sure.

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    1. U know there will be whining no matter what they do... even if they dont do anything there would be whining...

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    2. They could eliminate 90% of the whining if they would listen to the players, and not trolling them.

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    3. oh yeah like introducing gold ammo for crdits (yeah the palyers were crying for it and now they cry that wg should delete it again...)

      @WG The players overall are to stupid pls never ever do the mistake again and listen to them...

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    4. Most of the whiners are certified morons who demand impossible, unfeasible and/or blatantly contradictory things.

      *Democratic states* aren't run by letting whichever village idiot shouts the loudest at the town square decide policy; why the Hell should a business be?

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  7. My tip: chaged the armor/gun/shell mechanics for heavy armor to be more effective.

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    1. That would be really nice, and I am quite sure a lot of people hope that happens.

      And keep up the great work! Really nice blog ^^

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    2. Lets all hope that your suggestion happens. It'll be great

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    3. I bet the exact same. Golden ammo gave the paper tank a kind of edge over the armored landships.
      My bet is overall small armor and great hitpoint overhaul.

      I knida-sorta hope they will make meds less resistant to hits - at the moment a tier X medium tank hp is a bit ludicrous.

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  8. It probably means the Leopard line will be nerfed to the ground.

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  9. I think it means the introduction of depleted uranium rounds. I'm absolutely serious.

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    1. Already got Uranium rounds ;), though not depleted

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    1. Nnnnnnnno. I don't think so. It didn't even get on the supertest.

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    2. i hope so too, but they said 9.0 will be BIG so maybe it will be in that patch.
      @ silent stalker
      heavy armour is ok the way it is, the only way they can improve it is by the slope which means nearly all tanks will get a buff, or be reducing the normalization a bit for tanks. is it really that necessary? heavy tanks still dominate games last thing they need is more armour.

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    3. Havok doesn't change much of anything for gameplay, it's only aesthetics change

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    4. WG said they are still thinking what HAVOK features they should make server side or leave it client side.

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    5. aside from the possibility of the smoke barrier, I see no other use for HAVOK server side
      and possibly not even that, because on the server side it's only the calculation not the actual smoke cloud (barrier)

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    6. I don't think you understand how Havok works. Has nothing to do with the server.

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  11. I hope the E-75/E-100 remain viable.

    The E-75 is the most fun T9 tank for me currently (can you say BOUNCE?), and I look expectantly towards the E-100's even thicker armor.

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    1. Don't get your hopes up, it's lower glacis is worse.

      /Sergej

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    2. I know, I made a habit of destroying them in the meager Tiger II.

      Still, it's not like I'm going to reach another T10 any time this century at my rate of grind. Perhaps grinding nearly every single vehicle line, for every nation, ~2 years straight was a bad idea.

      I think my next one will probably be the E-50, at this rate. 80-90k accumulated on that.

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    3. Yep armor wise the E-75 would be a way better Tier 10 tank ( with some more Hp and a gun buff of course)

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    4. If they threw in some completely fake turbine engine, slapped some kind of mechanical assist on the loader to increase the RoF, and perhaps 10-20 more mm of penetration, the E-75 would be completely capable at T10.

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    5. The E-75M would not be completely unhistorical. Search the US forums for "weserhütte"

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    6. Or simply this blog a few articles back.

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    7. Here: http://ftr-wot.blogspot.cz/2013/04/e-50-weserhutte.html

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    8. Hrmm.

      I don't know how they would fit a theoretical E-75M into the tech tree, but I reckon it'd be a very capable vehicle with some creative stat-manufacturing.

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  12. "some things I think are good, some not so good."

    Guess what are the not so good changes. ARTIES!! you know whats that? because they made available sniper mode for arty. You heard it here folks!

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    1. big deal its no so important, and now i can aim in normal mode

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  13. HYPE!!!!!!!!!

    Seriuosly a rebalance patch is something long time needed.

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    1. Hopefully it will be a real rebalance rather than WG's (fked up) rebalance. I am always thinking are the rebalance team have meeting only after three big bottles of vodka.

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    2. If it is fucked up rebalance than you should take a drink of vodka. =P

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  14. Nice spot on what the Chieftain Said about the 8.6 Patch, even though he wasn't so particular about the details, Keep up the good work Frank. =P

    I can see why these changes will have to take 2 Months to get released aka in June that is, since a lot of stuff is getting changed, this will make the Big and Heavy Armored Tanks a lot more viable again if that's one of the changes aka the Maus, E-100, and the Super Heavily Armored TDs of the USA.

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  15. "Nuclear" means uranium rounds for gold only?

    As a long time WOT addict I am more and more growing tired of the direction in which this game is beeing developed. The huge dissapointment of the Leopard killed my last hope. The Leo Prototype is probably the worst piece of shit they ever introduced. It seems I will be finally free of this game. I try to keep my hopes for 8.6 as low as possible since every last patch was just a huge disappointment.

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    1. There's already a Tank that uses Depleted Uranium Shells already aka the Pz II G.

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    2. Except those ain't *depleted* but straight uranium (somebody mentioned the Germans nicked a large stockpile from Belgium, the former African colonies of which IIRC still boast the world's richest minest of the stuff); not like anyone had the reactors to produce useful amounts of DU at the time, least of all the Germans whose nuclear program was frankly pathetic.

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    3. Autocannon gold ammo is hideously expensive to use :<

      Also, how's you get your ass banned on the forums? Just noticed from my (VK 16.02) Leo thread...

      -Platypusbill

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    4. He got banned for posting leaks from supertest.

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    5. Me? Mocked an inveterate idiot (not even particularly nastily) who saw it fit to report it, which is apparently the main criteria for breach of rules worth a warning point. *shrug* Was on my final point anyway for much the same reasons - the previous point was IIRC for "sauce or GTFO" apparently being offensive language...

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    6. I was referring to Kellomies. -Platypusbill

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    7. Lol, timing. "GTFO" is a serious offense? I've used "evidence or GTFO" a number of times and I'm on 0 warning points. EU moderation does indeed suck. -Platypusbill

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    8. It gets better; a bit further down that page I repeatedly made explicit use of "shit", which conversely wasn't worth even a disapproving remark (whereas the "GTFO" comment and all quotes thereof were moderated out)... apparently there are four-letter words and then there are *four-letter words*. :P

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  16. Hello SS,

    Is there anyway you can post a preview of the patchnotes for 8.6 I am getting extremely excited about said "Nuclear" changes. Could it be that the first few Rocket propelled mortor tanks will be released? The Sturmtiger will be quite an interesting new unit type!

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    1. Read the FAQ, Sturmtiger won't appear this year.

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  17. The Chieftain is amazing, too bad that EU team is terrible.

    I really liked it when during the birthday stream he answered all kinds of questions about tanks, bummed about how he missed my question about US love for gigantic commander cupolas though.

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  18. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/238733-quality-shells-instead-of-premium-ammos-read-all-before-neg-repping/page__p__4608424#entry4608424

    i except this

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  19. I would love "arty view" on TD's. So you could shoot things not in your spotting range anymore, but it would require direct line of fire so it wouldnt be able to hit behind stuff or into cover. That would make sniper TD's like the JT a lot more useful.

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    1. Stupidest thing i ever read about wot

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    2. Well, it is still better than t57 gold ammos.

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    3. And why do you consider that stupid ? It would give TD's a range advantage, just like most of them had in real too. Also it wouldnt degrade most TD's to assault guns which they arent, but would enable them to give covering fire while staying undetected. The whole concept of a TD.

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    4. u used the word "real", ur argument is invalid, it's an arcade game with average engagement on 200> meters.

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    5. With scaled engagements. Thats why it would be nice as an game element to be able to provide long range direct fire.

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    6. Dude, that *is* basically arty with lower arcs, you could use indirect fire over low cover. In fact, you can already loop shells over obstacles in 3rd person mode, as the camera is situated above the tank (this mostly works with low-velocity howitzers with tall arcs).

      -Platypusbill

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  21. [troll] yeah "nuclear" changes so usa gets atomic artillery?? it fit in time line:P
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goMNAxFqGbk [/troll]

    im also curious about new changes
    i hope for less hi tier arties so heavy tanks can get fun in close fights:P
    maybe a new game mechanics?? if that so i hope that it wont favoured one nation

    pesymistik

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    1. They said the limiting of the arty won't come in 8.6, aka limiting to 3, though it's more possible in 8.7 or 9.0.

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  22. 8.6 most likely will address the power-creep that started with Tier 10 mediums and Tier 10 guns on Tier 9 mediums...in general, I think WG will try to address the power-creep

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  23. some news for you from Storm:

    http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/1895115.html?thread=125242315#t125242315
    http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/1895115.html?thread=125243083#t125243083
    http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/1895115.html?thread=125229515#t125229515

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    1. about third link:
      there will be different types of Spall Liner for tanks.
      +15%, 20%, 25% and 30% absorption.
      the Maus, yeah, will be equippable with 30% variant.

      and thats the smallest "plushka" for "Arty Phobiers".

      all in 8.6

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    2. Maus with new spall liner and new HP boost. But still he can be easily penned with 270+ pen guns.

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  24. So you want a Maus almost immune to arties and unpenetrable?

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  25. The best thing that WG could do with Arty (besides getting rid of it) is to lower its chances of achieving a first round hit! How many times has one sat in a supposedly sheltered position only to get ‘Nuked’ by the first round fired by some Scum Bag in an Arty? If on sits for long enough for the Scum bag to fire a second round, then one deserves to get ‘Nuked’.

    But alas this will never happen!

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  26. '- if you experience lag when switching from arcade to sniper mode and vice versa, apparently your computer is at fault, there is no such bug in WoT'

    Nice, so the fact I haven't experienced this lag for nearly 3 years - until this last patch - means my computer is at fault?! LOL

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  27. The changes sound radical. Oh god, I hope arty splashes won't be able to flip our tanks... :O

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  28. I still want more British and say a squeeze gun? And a few more 17 pdr gun equipped tanks.

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