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Jun 6, 2013

Superpershing is allegedly going to be removed from stores...

Source: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/243069-breaking-news-super-pershing-will-be-removed-from-the-store/

Basically, Korean server (which for some reason announces this stuff a lot in advance) released the following statement (text translated/transcribed by Krasnayazvezda, US server)

Tankers!
We are sorry to inform you that the Super Pershing will be removed from the stores of all servers around the world upon the request of Wargaming.net headquarters.
Thus the planned discount of the Super Pershing (note : local event for Korean server only) will be cancelled according to this.
We'll let you know about the details regarding the Super Pershing within a few days.

We apologize you for the abrupt change of the details of the specials.
We'll do our best to provide you better services in the future.
Thank you.

SS: So much fuss over one wrong frontal armor angle....

112 comments:

  1. I dont know why they did that, SP was mighty fine.

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    1. yeah, even in comparison with pictures of the original it didnt look that wrong...

      however, a 25mm reduction of the frontal armour would have been nasty, as the armour was/is the only way to put the gun to use

      Maybe it could have worked with a buff on its gun, slightly more acc and pen to allow the SP to take on the enemy tanks on a greater distance...

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    2. Actually you know what? With the coming of the 112, SP would have been useless. The 112 is faster, has better armor or somewhat the same armor, and dosent rely on add-on plates wich can be skipped with good aiming, and also has a better gun.

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    3. Think about it:
      - 112 is a copy or similar built tank to the IS-6.
      - between IS-6 and SP there's no conflict, they are very different tanks and I think 112 will be different to the SP as well.
      - 112 cost about 12,5k gold, SP 7,2k so you see they are for two different target audiences. One for the one which want a good premtank and have no problems to pay for it a high price and the other one for the Players who want a cheap t8 premtank, but the cheap price means that the tank hasn't as good equipment as other premtanks.
      -Mppol

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    4. The 112 is not a copy of the IS-6, it's the same chassis and hull as the 110 and WZ-111 which were Chinese designed. There are a lot of copies in the Chinese tree but their later heavy tanks aren't one of them.

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    5. Yes they are copies actually. The 110 is a slightly modified version of the IS-2U, the WZ-111 was a mixture of the IS-3 and T-10 tanks. I would call those copies.

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  2. Maybe they are making room for anotherone? Bringing back the M4a2e4?

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    1. No, it's because of the armor.

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    2. Not so strange as it can be purchased on the Test server ATM.
      But it is a Tier 5.

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  3. Geez, knee jerk reaction to not being able to nerf the peoples paid for tanks.
    Thats double standards when it comes to historical accuracy and fake tanks.

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  4. basically they wanted nerf hull without buffing gun to help poor rusian noobs players who dont know how to penetrate it so they are going to remove it from shop hahaha

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    1. Punctuation? Do you know the word?

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  5. We'll do our best to provide you better services in the future.
    Thank you.

    wow, isnt for the first time that they write something like this ?

    Its almost an apology from WG !

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    1. That's how Korean society works, not wargaming policy in general.

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  6. It will probably be rebalanced in next patch (8.7) - they will change armour and hopefuly some other things (gun?, engine?) to balance it out.

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  7. Sooooo... Considering the SP as Funny but not being able to nerf the it "last", SerB ist going to remove it "first" now? XD

    Even thought, we don´t know if it was SerB´s idea...

    Well, the only Question left now is when will it happen? Already with the upcoming Patch maybe?

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  8. WG are clowns... As SS said, so much fuss about ONE tank's frontal armour. Hordes of more-or-less fake tanks ingame is OK, but a bit different frontal armour on Super Pershing creates such a faux-pas. I wonder if WG makes Super Pershing fully historically accurate, as in terms of gun penetration and accuracy, when this is an excuse for removing the tank from shop because of frontal armour and its unhistoricity.

    Denial_of_God (EU)

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  9. Not the first premium to get removed because of community outrage about it's stats. We'll probably see it back for events from time to time like my old friend the KV-5 or the Type 59.

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  10. Just coincidence???
    They just wanted to remove the cheaper t8 premium tank from stores and they made up all that stupid argument about "historic stuff".
    So now,people cried to avoid they nerf what they payed for and WG has a perfect excuse to remove it form the shop (they will say something like this: "we cant nerf it coz we love our customers,but it is not historically correct so we are gonna remove it from stores").

    Well played WG,well played.....

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  11. Super Pershing is already bottom of the barrel for Tier 8. It has roughly .5 of the following items. Mobility, Armor, Firepower. Taking away the hull armor moves it down to having 0 of those.

    Seriously, it would leave the SP inferior to the T34 in all respects. The hull armor nerf would leave it wide open for the majority of tanks to pen the UFP at will, never mind the hull hatches, turret ring, and turret top that would remain easy enough to hit. So you would require the same hull down tactics as a T34, with less mobilty to get to the required spot, and a giant weakspot at the top of your turret.

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  12. My guess:

    They'll remove the current SP from the store. Rename it to T26E4-classic. Then sell the historically accurate one. Problem solved.

    If the gun buff or engine buff people seem to think is historically accurate goes through they might give a choice to swap the classic for the new one.

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  13. Well, that escalated quickly...

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  14. I wonder how much Super Pershing sales will spike today?

    Cynical, moi?

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    1. Not cynical...I bought it this morning, as soon as I read the confirmation of the news from Slava Makarov...

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  15. Now this has been announced there will be a rush to buy it before it’s removed! More of the bloody things on the battlefield; all we need!

    Is it worth it?

    A question I will now ponder over until I get home from work tonight! I’ve resisted the temptation to buy it up till now, but with WG forcing ones hand…..

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  16. I'm sorry if you feel differently, but imo it serves right the whinny community. Everything that is just a little not like in their own little imaginary land is moaned about.

    People moaned about historical accuracy that, historical accuracy this, so they started repairing old models to more accurately reflect whats historical. Now when they wanted to repair the model of Super Pershing people suddenly get highly offended. OMG they are nerfing my tank. But the nerf to the HEAT shells they don't see as a buff to their tank. Why do you not whine about that?

    How do you know that with the changed angle of Super Pershing HEAT shells would not be performing similarly to how they perform now? No, it is better to moan and whine that it is not fair what they are PLANNING, not even introduced yet, no one knows how it would have affected the said tank ffs. How do you know they wouldn't have buffed the tank in terms of accuracy, penetration or other such things if it would underperform?

    Don't get me wrong, WG is doing a lot things wrong, business model, PR in which customer service might take a lead as the worst, but you can see they are trying to get better. They even plan to increase Tigers speeds, centurions speed. Whether they removed it to rework and rebalance it completely or it is gone for good, IMO the removal was a good decision and a lesson to people who complain about anything and everything without much thinking.

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    1. SP hull is allredy vulnerable for REGULAR AP shells of all X tier guns and some IX. (lowe, T34). Nerfing it, make this tank helpless vs IS3 and other tanks witch has more than 200mm Pen. U have got T34 soo you should understad it.

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  17. Hmm, I was collecting US tanks so I might have to buit the thing now.........

    Not that I particularly wanted it :/

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    1. Y are you "collecting" a set of Data ANYWAY? I never understood that?!?!?
      Sd_Kfz_186

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    2. Why are you yelling?

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  18. If at first you dont succeed, fuck it - remove it.

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  19. I didn't see that coming. To be honest, I'd have been fine with a slight rebalance of its stats to make up for the historical armour nerf. It would still bounce shots, and most of the shots I receive in my SP are aimed for the turret anyway. That mantlet eats everything.

    Solexi (EU)

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  20. maybe 2nd time's the charm ?!?

    they did it with Type59 and proved to be the wrong move, later nerfing the tank
    they released yet another premium over performer, now to be slammed into ground as well

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    1. Over performer? What have you been smoking?

      Super Pershing is quite average prem. Far from the best even if it's not the worst either. Just check the stats it has.

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    2. Sp over preforming? dont be silly, maybe in first two-three weeks until player base learned the weakspots.... There isnt a single decent player that will agree that SP over preformed EVER!

      btw. still not playing the game or you caved in?

      p

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    3. SP over performer? I don't think so. People needed a day to realize it has awful side armor and that tubes on turret are one big sign saying "SHOOT ME HERE". It was pretty below average premium in my eyes.

      Uterujem_Dobro

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    4. tubes are actually empty space, what people hit is actually turret armor behind the tubes without the extra shielding... the same goes for lower turret front

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    5. o really?! people buy this tank to park it sideways and inviting enemies to shoot in his side's armor - LOL

      that's why WG is trying to nerf the frontal armor and ultimately remove it from the store, because it's bad .. riight

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    6. Get a grip zMe ul, 225 penetration rolls do damage right trough the UFP. Lets not even mention the "shoot here" sign on top of the turret. It has good depression but climbs hills like a turtle. SP is only good when enemies let it be by doing stupid things, like trying to kill it at range in a real medium tank(like say Pershing).

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    7. That zMe ul guy is posting a lot of bs here, yet has no clue whatsoever.

      "o really?! people buy this tank to park it sideways and inviting enemies to shoot in his side's armor - LOL"

      Apparently the position of your opponents hull towards you, ONLY depends on the enemies movements (in one of the slowest tanks), rather than your own...
      I can see the "dunning-kruger-effect" is strong with this one.

      SP's armor is good as a toptier, but intermediate at best in a t9-battle. And god forbid you'd platoon with a regular-matched t8-tank or a t6 arty!
      That's not a very good résumé for a tank which is entirely depending on it's armor.
      A lot of players know to shoot the top of the turret (yes, it is NOT ONLY the cupola!) and that is an almost guaranteed penetration. Worse, at distances at which your enemy is already perfectly able to hit and penetrate 2 out of 3 shots at your top, you often seriously struggle to do the same to him, because of your REALLY crappy gun! Mind you, it is slow as shit, so you simply can't make up for that.
      And if the enemy is an idiot, as anon already said, he probably just shoots the upper part of the frontal glacis (the line above the mg) and still penetrates with 225 pene rolls (120mm+ guns don't even need such a roll)! Or he turns on autoaim, which often hits either that, or the turretring. Aside from that, a lot of "dings" on the gun-attached armorbar, even from guns as small as 50mm(no shit!!!) have a good chance to take out SP's gun.
      If you get caught in the open by an agile tank, you really are in trouble, no matter the opponents tier. And if all that weren't enough: Often, one should better use goldammo to achive anything in many situations, which is in turn seriously cutting the profits.
      So... to everyone still whining about the SP's supposedly overpoweredness:
      Use your brain, if there is any, when fighting against it and/or try it out on the testserver. You will be surprised, promise!

      Sd_Kfz_186 EU

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  21. "We apologize you for the abrupt change of the details of the specials.
    We'll do our best to provide you better services in the future."

    Asian politeness. Way to go Wargaming US and EU.

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  22. Nice draw to get rid of money Problems in Summer. Now roughly 50k people will buy that tank for 30$.
    In like end of August there will be that Chinese Prem and that E25 and of course the German TD line.

    all i can think of is nice draw to get some more $$$$ to Cypris.

    All in all it feels like they are milking the Players cuz they realize WT is doing a way better job than they are.
    Dont get me wrong, I didnt even play WT a single time, but what you see on YT etc looks just awesome and what people say about it proves it.

    killyam[EU]

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    1. Go play WT, take a look. But even though I like it very much it's not without its own problems.

      The flying with mouse in arcade and historic battles is very restricted, with an AI instructor keeping you from stalling and crashing, making the current WoWP mouse setup more realistic, especially compared to the WT arcade physics.
      There might be no display for hitpoints, but fire at a certain part of the plane long enough and it will crash. Modules and parts have hitpoints even if they are not displayed, though a critical hit might take them out instantly... but same is true for wargamings approach with the exception of random pilot kills.
      So for joystick users WT is certainly the way to go, but the mouse mode is just... too easy and restricted.

      And... nobody has any idea how the world war mode (the one including ground vehicles) will play out. I hope that it will be awesome and superior to what WoT can offer, but nobody knows yet... so all the hype is about nothing.

      Not saying wargaming titles will reign supreme, but people should not get too hyped about something that is not yet released with almost no hard info about how it will play.(WT ground vehicles)

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    2. oh my GOD,a business company trying to earn money? what is this shit?

      If more people buy it its not WG scheem its players need to have something that will become unavailable soon.... nothing to do with WG

      P

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    3. Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Dora.

      'Nuff said about WT and historical battles

      ;-)

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    4. Wait, you mean there are actually well performing german vehicles? Well that's something you don't see here.

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    5. It's a premium plane you can buy in a starter pack for 20 bucks and it kicks the shit out of the allies.

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    6. The Hetzer, the Hummel, the StuG III, the PzKpfw IV, the VK 3601 (H), the GW Panther, the Tiger (P), the Jagdpanzer...

      All of them are actually well performing Soviet vehicles in WoT, proving the infamous "Soviet bias" and... oh wait.

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  23. If they want money they can just resell type59 for 1 day, i think they can manage more than a 1M € in only 24 hours.

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    1. No
      No more Types. Still there are too many of them.
      All of you must understand that Type will never be hopefully sold again. Better for game.

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    2. But it has been on sale on every big event. I doubt that will change unless people stop buying it during those events.

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    3. >>on sale on every big event.

      it isnt.

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    4. Guys, don't get wrong what Whopper said.
      He ment that if WG really wanted to milk cash they could've put type 59 on shop again(someone said above that this SPershing removal is a scheme to milk cash:A lot of people will buy it before it gets removed).

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    5. But the 112 isn't a cash grab right?

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    6. I am 99% certain that type 59 won't be ever sold again. It is in fact not the most efficient way of making money. The 112, however, might seem like their new solution: they can get people hyped up and pay 50-60 bucks (rather than 35 for type 59), then ninja nerf the hell out of it.

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  24. Is it me or it looks like WG just wanted an excuse to remove SP from the store from the beginning?

    Perhaps too affordable with its price. I would expect some tier 7 premiums to appear soon with price comparable with SP...

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  25. So basically: Serb wasn't allowed a nerf so he took it out of the store. Like a butthurt child.

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    1. I prefer removal over nerfing. I have paid for certain way the tank is and I would feel ripped of if someone reduces value I paid in the first place. Only viable option then would be refund. So it's quite easy decision - remove it from store and don't nerf/refund.

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    2. why they can nerf the spaced armore, therfor it should get just 50hp more... or put stock pershing engine

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  26. Here's a nice conspiracy theory I've seen on RU server (2 weeks ago, mind you): they remove the SP under some bullshit pretense (this bug was known for months) and then introduce a nerfed T23 as tier 8 premium. Voila, two problems solved, T23 model recycled.

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    1. This is dumb as shit. Why not just add T23?

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    2. For money--->anything and everything.

      Should be WG's motto.

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    3. As Kazomir said, it is dumb as shit, but it perfectly fits WG's logic and it makes sense.

      Denial_of_God (EU)

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  27. Can't deny it looks a beast, but, having bought it & then sold it previously let me fill all you happy shoppers in..
    Its sooo slooow... Having played WOT for coming up 2 years I've learnt to be low specific power averse- I.e. I dislike slow accelerating tanks.
    Had a Lowe- sold it & bought FCM 50t
    Had a SuperP- sold it & done the Grind for a decent high tier Med

    Lastly - get this- had a Type59- sold it!!! ( I can hear the screams/ shouts/ crys/ abuse..!) in game at spawn, off you go.. Waiting.. Waiting.. Ok, were moving now.. I think.. Yes foilage going past now- just dreadfully bad specific power.

    So yes buy, try it & sell it.. Pe keep your £30..

    Regards
    TitanLegion

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    1. Exactly, it is actually a terrible tank with a zone of spaced armor that only the biggest noobs aim for. SerB and his historical balancing should just gtfo from premium tanks or just offer a bloody refund, is it that hard to just give people some virtual currency back?

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  28. Such a big shitstorm for such a small problem.
    1st:SPershing will have its armour nerfed for historical reasons.People rage hard.
    2nd:Storm said it was a mistake, SPershing will tay as it is.People breath freely.
    3:SerB states that SPershing might face that armour.nerf.People start to rage again.
    4:They decided that it'll remain unchanged.People turn happy.
    5:It'll get removed from the shop.

    Lol....wtf...it's that hard to balance a tank?...

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  29. I suspect it is because SP costs 7200 gold. Two cheap tier VIII premiums (KV-5 and Type 59) were already removed (each cost 7500 gold), one was made more expensive (Loewe - 7500->12500 gold).

    Now, if they remove SP, the cheapest premium tier VIII will be JagdTiger 88 (10000 gold). New chinese will be ~12000 for 100%.

    Everything is getting more expensive.

    And now a question for a penny - guess which tier VIII premium will be removed from the store next :)

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  30. Super shit-worst tank i have in my garage and i payed it. Such a big mistake. Never again!

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    1. I regret buying it, too.
      I dont hate the weakspots, imho it has a great turret and a good gun with great depression, hull down works nice (like with almost every us tank). I also like the credt bonus (though not as big as for the type 59, but enough).

      The thing that bugs me most is the weak engine, it plays more like a heavy then a med. If I had known THIS fact before, I wouldn't have bought it.

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    2. So you DIDN'T know this fact before? SERIOUSLY???

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    3. You did not know? Come on...takes 10 seconds to open tankwiki and read:
      -----
      ...The downfall of the T26E4 is that it's very sluggish and very vulnerable from the sides and rear....Very weak engine which results in low traverse speed, acceleration, and uphill power...
      -----
      So if you did not know, it´s maybe b/c you cannot read?

      And even just seeing it in your team or the enemy team clearly shows you that it is slow as hell.

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  31. Про суперпершинг, в связи с вопросами
    1. Да, снимаем с продажи. Временно или постоянно - зависит от обстоятельств.
    2. Коварные планы этим не исчерпываются. Время вступления планов в силу - зависит от обстоятельств.
    3. План придуман в основном мной, одобрен и Сербом и Штормом. Компромиссного характера не носит, позволит все сделать с нашей точки зрения правильно.

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    1. Yeah, i totally agree... (wtf?!)

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    2. Google Translate:

      About superpershing, in connection with matters
      1. Yes, we remove from sale. Temporarily or permanently - depending on the circumstances.
      2. Evil plans do not end there. Time of entry into force of the plans - depending on the circumstances.
      3. The plan basically invented me, is approved and Serbia and Storm. Compromise is not, will do everything in our view correctly.

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    3. we are fucked

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  32. About superpershing, in connection with matters
    1. Yes, we remove from sale. Temporarily or permanently - depending on the circumstances.
    2. Evil plans do not end there. Time of entry into force of the plans - depending on the circumstances.
    3. The plan basically invented me, is approved and Serbia and Storm. Compromise is not, will do everything in our view correctly.

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  33. Everything has been said:
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/worstgreed.jpg/

    Tankista87

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  34. If any tank is overperforming it's IS-6. His armor is absolutely trollish and gun eventough it lacks pen it has amazing RoF and DPM. And in 8.6 it's armor is gonna be even more OP. Add to that special privileged MM and you have totally overperforming prem tank. If you encounter some tougher tank just load some prem shells and you're fine. SP is mid-decent premium tank. Ofc frontally is tough due to spaced armor but it's weakspots are obvious and pretty easy to hit, other than front his armor is crap and his gun is mediocre. Oh and it's slow as heavy tank. And no i don't own neither IS-6 or SP. This is purely opinion base on encountering those two.

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    1. I guess that explains why your crying..

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    2. IS-6's premium rounds aren't that great. (217 pen, going be be negatively affected by reduced normalisation of APCR in 8.6 too)

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  35. I'm fine with my Type59. Don't need any other prem.

    Probably have to buy a new prem to WoWS if it's worth of playing.

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  36. Being a Chinese player, the only advantage we get from the Chinese server is that you can purchase almost any tank that doesn't appear in the in-game store (in something similar to a gift shop). Unfortunately, the "gold ammo for credit" feature haven't been implemented so far, so I guess everything comes with a price...

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