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Jun 6, 2013

0.8.6 test 1 armor changes

Source: http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/2043751.html
Author: Awasaky

Note from author: when there are different colours on various models, it doesn't necesserily mean that the thickness has been changed, the armor zone might have simply been moved into other armor group.

IS-6

The miniature spaced armor strips over the tracks and the rim around the hull (violent on picture) - earlier 10mm, became 30mm

Earlier:


Became:


SU-8

Gun armor reduced from 50 to 30mm, frontal hull armor increased from 20 to 30mm, rear part (earlier 0) recieved 6mm armor

Earlier:


Became:


SU-85B

Driver's hatch and the armored cover on the front were previously weakspots (10mm), their armor got increased to 42mm, turning them into zones more armor than the rest of the frontal hull.

Earlier:


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Cromwell

The rim of the mantlet recieved the same thickness as its center (64 to 76,2mm), the center got buffed from 76 to 76,2mm. Various turret weakspots (hatches) buffed significantly.

Earlier:


 

Became:



Comet - no armor layout changes.

Matilda Black Prince

Apart from changing the size of the turret, new armor groups between 70 and 55mm were added. Commander's copula and hatch armor was improved.

Earlier:



Became:



SU-76

Buffed the 0mm spaced armor to 10mm and improved the frontal armor driver's hatch and armor cover weakspots from 10mm to 42mm

Earlier:



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T95

In frontal armor, the small triangle weakspot recieved 305mm armor (left above the gun)

Earlier:


Became:



Panzer V/IV


The weld between lower and upper frontal plate has been reduced from 110mm to 85mm, the lower frontal armor is slightly better angled.

Earlier:



Became:



Panzer III/IV

Lower frontal armor recieved a slightly better angle

Earlier:


Became:


Object 268

Recieved new miniature 20mm  spaced armor plates on sides.

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E-100

Besides the obvious moving of the turret 30cm forward, the turret angles have been slightly nerfed,  track covers above the tracks have been nerfed from 90mm to 30mm (the green thin strip) and the side armor was nerfed from 130mm to 120mm.

Earlier:






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91 comments:

  1. Nerf the E100, buff the Object... Classic WG move.

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    1. Funny how selective "Historical accuracy" can be in WG's eyes.
      Buff the russian tanks, nerf the germans.

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    2. Soviets*

      And those weren't the only ones being buffed. You're the one with a suspiciously selective criteria.

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    3. 268 has the IS-8 hull.Right now it is actually incomplete model, it's basically an IS-8 hull without it's spaced armor.

      So no fantasy shit added to it. They added what they have probably missed when creating the model.

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    4. E-100 got quite a shitty nerf when in close brawl mode. Ive seen many E-100 angle their turret when reloading. Well that wont count for shit anymore with those flat cuts near the edges of the turret.

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    5. E-100 turret is still 250mm thick.

      Maus is the one that has problem with turret.

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  2. so this means no sidescrap for e100 anymore or am i in mistake

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    1. Nah, you can still sidescrape... even tanks with frontal turret can do it...

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    2. I see both of you don't actually pay attention to the picture.
      The armor group that got nerfed can only be hit from BOTTOM. It could've been exposed in very particular situation and any kind of thickness would be insignificant, whether it'll be 20 or 200mm.

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    3. Sidescraping is technically nerfed just by looking at this blog post in particular; however, I don't think it will make too much difference.

      1. Placing turret 30cm forward is technically a nerf to sidescraping, but your side armor is too good for you to notice that. (Placing turret forward is also a buff to peek-a-boo)

      2. Reducing side armor by 10mm and space armor by 60mm may seem like a big nerf, but HEAT rounds, used by most tanks at tier 9+, are nerfed even more. (General average penetration and reduction when going through spaced armor)

      3. APCR shell normalization are reduced to 2 degrees, so you don't have to worry about the minority gold rounds either.

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    4. Yes, you are a mistake...

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  3. why in the world would Obj 268 need an armor buff?!?!

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    1. Because it's a russian tank.... Really, i tried so hard not to believe the russian bias thing... But it's harder and harder to do so

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    2. It's historical...






      :D

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    3. Are you bloody serious ? How 20mm spaced armor can be called a buff at tier X? It will be advantageous only in very particular conditions, 90% of situations there will be no difference in gameplay...

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    4. HEAT shells nerf. Space armour even 5mm thick will explode HEAT shell and begin its penetration decay process.

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    5. I'm shocked that Object didn't had them before. IS-3/IS-8/IS-7 heavy tanks IRL had those skirts. Modeling tank/TD without them is like making E-100 without side skirts.

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    6. @Anonymous Jun 6, 2013, 1:52:00 PM
      :D:D:D

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  4. these things aren't buffs or nerfs
    they just change them to historically correct
    these changes will have very little effect on the tanks

    Zee7

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    1. Its only accidental that they buffed only russian tanks and the german ones were nerfed.
      Sure...

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    2. I'll bet you 5 bucks, that when you confront WG about this, they will say ''Look! we buffed the Panzer III/IV... a bit''

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    3. so in the start they made the german tanks armor to be too strong and the russians to be too weak for more than a year
      that's more like german bias...

      Zee7

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    4. @Zee7, and when the germans had better armor? in closed beta?

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    5. Hey Zee7, i love the fact that you have so many battles in german tanks :) Oh, and the best german tank you have is just a tier 4.... I really love it when people like you talk about how fair it is to nerf the germans :)

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    6. Sorry, tier 5...

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    7. Well the E-100's armor is too strong. It's historically incorrect since it's release. That's almost 2 years.

      The obj 268 was missing it's spaced armor since it's release. We can see that it has spaced armor but it doesn't work.

      With this patch they just fixing these mistakes but the tanks performance won't change. The E-100's side armor is still 180 mm thick. That's more than enough. The enemy will still shoot the side armor UNDER the spaced armor where it was ALWAYS 120 mm thick.

      And if you think they just want to make german tanks suck, then I tell you the 113's side armor was also changed/nerfed.

      Zee7

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    8. By the way I don't have german tanks because I think they are ugly.(except tiger2, E-75, E-50, E-50M, Leopard 1, E-25) Not because they are bad. And also because our clan don't need them for clanwars because they are slow and thus not enough universal.
      I played with german tanks on every test server and I think they are great. It's not too hard to play them, but they are definitely not good for starters, because you have to angle the hull and the turret and use covers against arty, ehich means you have to use your brain.

      Zee7

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    9. brain whats that?

      - a random cry baby

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    10. First, the german tanks are the sexiest tanks.
      Second, Your clan dosent need german tanks because they mostly suck. Thats what happens when they are underpowered, they suck and are not usefull. Nobody uses german tanks in CWs.

      Thirdly, the tanks performance will definetly change, lowering the turret angle will make it penetrable by everything, and reducing of side armor will make sidescraping an even tougher job. E-100's best part is that it has armor, the gun sucks and the mobility is sub-par, and then they go out and nerf it's armor. GG.

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    11. "Nobody uses german tanks in CWs."
      We in PTS do. Not in as high numbers as E5s but from time to time (depends on map) there are some Maus and some E-100s. Also E-50M is used from time to time even in higher numbers.

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    12. "Russian bias" bullshit again? Some fanboys need to resurrect that topic weekly for some reason.

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    13. EFE uses them also, they are not bad, there are just few tanks that can do things better.

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    14. @Anonymous

      They didn't buff Panzer III/IV a bit, they nerfed is mediocrity.

      A german tank can't be buffed in any way.

      On a more serious side, game mecanism change on the test server greatly "nerf the mediocrity" of german tank like Maus and E-100. From report of 8.6

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  5. I wasn't too sure about the Russian Bias either, but damn..
    Russian tanks: Buff, buff and buff and the German nerf, nerf and nerf..

    Also can someone explain to me why ppl thing still use ''it was historical'' as a argument?

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    1. selective view thats all, german cry babies always react like that, its historical xD

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    2. Hah, people seem to neglect all those great German tanks in lower tiers. But of course, that contradicts the favourite unjustified prejudice in the game.

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  6. No Comet buff!? Out of all the tanks in the game that need ANY buff at all it's the Comet! It's one of the worst tanks in the game!

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    1. Ummmmmmmmmm.... The Comet has the highest dpm of all the tier 7 medium tanks... It is no even close to being one of the worst tanks in the game... Perhaps learn how to play it?

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    2. I love the Comet it has the aggressive nature of the Cromwell but at the same time the feel of the Centurions.

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  7. its funny, how the tanks get buffed and nerfed to serbs / wgs liking. but in case the community tries to explain why a tank should be buffed / nerfed because of actual historical reasons, wgs / the devs answer is "want realism? join the army." thats simply ridiculous.

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    1. WG lets the game join ampy :p

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  8. Lol 268 gets little miniature 20 mm spaced armor and crying begins. Like it got armor of t95. Fucking whining retards.

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    1. oooooh and it's all about the object you think? .... small minded thing you are, aren't you?

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    2. And you are another conspiracy theorist. Why do you even play WoT if anything that happens in the game is bad to you ?

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    3. Like T95 got gun of the Object
      Gold ammo kills T95
      Gold ammo helps Object

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    4. stupid stays stupid

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    5. You are not even aware how that tiny 20mm spaced armor strip can save your life your fucking brat. How many times i shot IS-8 with nuke gun like T-95 155mm or Ob704 152mm and it just ate the whole shell. And how many times it saved my ass while i was driving my IS-8. So just stfu fanboi. You are smarter when you are silent.

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    6. ano use ur brain pls:

      its not the spaced armor eating ur shells, its the highly angled armor (Take a look at IS-3/-8 model without spaced armor) behind them bouncing ur shoots and the fail crew messages letting u think, that u should have pen that one

      learning basic game mechanism, something those cry kids should start with finally.

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  9. Hi. 'bout 3/4: also your image viewer show changes in upper frontal armour.

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  10. Finaly the well deserved E-100 nerf has come. That thing was so OP.

    trolololo

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  11. Not sure if 99% of the users writing comments here are stupid or just love to whine.

    E-100 BOTTOM armor got nerfed: OMG WE ARE ALL DOOMED (when we drive on top of an enemy with 90° gun elevation)

    Object 268 got the space armor it already had on model since its introduction...

    But why am i trying to explain this... the whiners wont read it or will just insult me and continue to cry without reason...

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    1. HE shells will try to penetrate the weakest armor in the range of the explosion. While this nerf is not a direct nerf vs regular tanks, arty can hurt the E100 a bit more.

      Oh, and at the end of the day the e100 got nerfed and the object buffed. Doesn't matter how big or small those nerfs/buffs are.

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    2. all side armor was nerfed on E-100 by 10mm, and if you are sidescraping every bit helps.

      Also, frontal turret armor got nerfed, the angle is now even lower, so more penetrations.

      The nerfs are not huge per se, but they are undeserved, E-100 is one of the worst tier 10 heavies.

      As to object 268 and all IS tanks that have that spaced armor on the side, this is bullshit. Theese side parts eat shells like noone's buisness, its not even funny.

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    3. @Kazomir:
      its not them eating ur shells, its the highly angled armor (Take a look at IS-3 model without spaced armor) behind them bouncing ur shoots and the fail crew messages letting u think, that u should have pen that one ;)

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    4. >arty can hurt the E100 a bit more.
      If they'll ever manage to eat shit.
      >Oh, and at the end of the day the e100 got nerfed and the object buffed. Doesn't matter how big or small those nerfs/buffs are.
      Typical "reasoning" of pre-scholar children.

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    5. At least be polite...anon... The E100 received a nerv vs arty. You cannot deny that. I'm willing to talk about that, but your "If they'll ever manage to eat shit." just proves how dumb you are.

      Take by example a side shot on E100 from an arty. The shell hits the side armor. Due to the HE shells mechanics the explosion will try to find the weakest armor in range to pen. And guess what, that weak armor is right on the side armor, above the tracks.

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    6. Kazomir is just full of sh*** e-100 being one of most versatile tier 10 tanks that gets quite a buff in 8.6 (HEAT eating sides, super heavy SL) will not even notice this miniscule nerf

      But i guess you cant really know that if you dont own a tier 9 tank let alone a tier 10 one.

      Stick to low tiers Kazomir ;)

      P

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    7. LOL one of the most versatile Tier 10 tanks, LOL. This is the worst tier 10 tank along with the Maus, and are a heavily niche tanks that require a lot of skill to play properly.

      T110E5 is a versatile tank. E-100 isn't.
      Plus I have played a lot of tier 10 tanks for a lot of games, the fact i dont own them dosent disprove that, you profile checking sleazy numty.

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    8. "This is the worst tier 10 tank"
      Nope that's is-7... oh russian bias again. Now they even want to be top of the worst. shame on them :P

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    9. E100 is second best heavy of the game (after E5), l2p...

      ps: i got maus, is7 and e100 in my garage atm and i would pick E100 over the other 2 any day any time...

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  12. I love this reasoning:

    wrong (better) model for e-100 is in the game for 2 years - thats just fine and dandy
    wrong (worse) model for 268 is in game for a bit less - that fine and dandy

    Both get corrected - OMGBIASBIASIMTOSTUPIDTOKNOWANYTHINGELSE


    German fanboys, really really the worst kind of players wot has after bots and campers. Sad sad people.

    P

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    1. I'd like to see what tanks YOU prefer...
      But ofcourse, you are anonymous. Sad.

      E-100 didnt even exist IRL, apart from one prototype hull, so you cant really correct E-100 stuff for historical accuracy, since its not historical at all.

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    2. U know that u dont need a real hull...
      I know this will be shocking for u but there are things like blueprints...

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    3. Various sources tough say that the armor is 130, along with ones that say its 120. Blueprints are not all the same and nothing is set in stone, you know.

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    4. and then why should they choose the higher one? Because U like it?
      Its free to them which source they trust more, its their game, if u dont like that then ur free to leave.

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    5. I'm not ashamed of tanks i drive, not only that, i participate in CW regularly and i have good knowledge of versatile tanks... want to chek me out?

      P aka Paaranoja

      note: i didnt drive e-100 practically from release (maus is my favorite super heavy), i just grinded the top gun and sold it, now in light of new changes (and gold ammo for silver ofc) i bought it again

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    6. If you dont like it you are free to leave is the worst argument you could come up with. Since when it does work anyway?
      Why should they choose the higher one? I allready said it, E-100 is one of the worst tier 10 tanks and that's a fact. Ask anyone.

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    7. Heck, check the statistics, even. Do whatever.

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    8. nonon, YOU said its one of the worst heavys, every decent player knows e-100 potential...

      P

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    9. Paaranoja I love u, just for being one of the few guys on the forum/here with a functional brain.

      E-100 has a big potential if used right, the problem are the average siemamoinmoin guys playing it, failing with it and then crying on the forum about it.

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    10. I got banned from forums for having a brain XD

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    11. yeah... he gave me my 3 (thats for worst offense, usually you get one) last warning points (total of 20 i think) for calling someone a simpleton

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    12. Paaranoja, I know E-100 has potential if used right, heck, a player who knows how to angle it and how to penetrate other tanks' weakspots is king with it, but same goes for every other tank. An experienced player can make any tank work. An experienced player with a good tank is nigh on unstoppable.

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  13. "SU-8

    Gun armor reduced from 50 to 30mm, frontal hull armor increased from 20 to 30mm, rear part (earlier 0) recieved 6mm armor"

    Wow, my SU-8 will be INDESTRUCTIBLE! :D

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    1. yeah russian bias

      - a random cry baby

      [/trollmode]

      Wondering why the gun of the su-8 was its best armored part for a long time...

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    2. Most of the artys have high armor values on the gun itself.
      See it yourself
      for example:
      http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/g1#
      http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/g11
      http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r19#
      http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/f18#

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  14. SU-85B

    Driver's hatch and the armored cover on the front were previously weakspots (10mm), their armor got increased to 42mm, turning them into zones more armor than the rest of the frontal hull.

    Yea, bcs in soviet russia weakspot means toughspot. And that TD really needed buff. It already have fucking 390m view range at T4 and it has best TD gun in T4. 130mm of pen and fucking 160 dmg and same RoF as bloody Stug. Everyone is bitching about high tiers and no one even cares how grossly they are buffing soviet low tiers. Fun fact, MS-1 is the only T1 that can rape Hotchkiss on a regular basis.

    Yea sure, we are soviet bias cry babys. Whatever.

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    1. And worst elevation limits IN GAME! -5/+7. Even AMX 50 120 has -6/+8!

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    2. Su101 is looking at you badly..

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    3. Yes, you are. The SU-85B is perfectly fine; it's funny how you complain about Soviet bias yet the Hetzer is undoubtedly the best TD within its tier.

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    4. It's best bcs of that stupid derp+gold ammo. Take that away and what you have? One of the shittiest tds at t4.Ofc it's perfectly fine when you are owning with it. I owned too with 71% WR in it and it's basically a T5 TD only with T4 HP pool.

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  15. hmm sorry, but i cant see any differences in the IS-6 pictures... both times the armor of the "skirts" is 30mm. only the colour gets brighter but on both pictures its 30mm.
    am i blind?

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    1. This is because nothing really changed - skirts 30 -> 30, rim around the hull 100 -> 100.

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    2. yes, developers came in original post and correct us - IS-6 lost only rudimental screen armour under turret

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    3. but doesnt it stay 30mm there too?

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  16. E-100 is one of the most map dependant tanks in game, as Maus, as T95. In desert or open maps it's an exp piñata. Give it a map with a nice set of undestructible buildings and it owns.

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  17. I hate pictures like this.
    Eventhough it provides us with information, visual presentations like this should be easy to read.
    By changing the colours for each thickness in the new picture the whole point of the colours is actually lost.

    I have a feeling I am a minority on this subjest, though.

    Big_Gary

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  18. does this mean my E10OP move a bit faster due to the less armor??

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