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Jun 4, 2013

Storm on 0.8.6 part 2

Here are a few of the answers Storm has given in comments under the earlier article from today (I hate backediting posts, so I'll just make this new one):

- Storm has checked the test hit rate statistics. All vehicles (except for arty) improved their hit percentage by cca 5 percent.
- devs are still thinking about removing the sniper mode reticle shake after shooting
- the new tank being hit sounds have cca 50/50 feedback, about half of the players like it, half don't
- the "exploit" with shooting from behind two bushes will stay too, but the fix was already developed and will soon be implemented
- Superpershing nerf is still not decided
- tests stats do not confirm the opinion of some players that arty was in fact buffed, both arty hitrate and damage went apparently down
- the new sounds of engines, shots etc. won't come soon, but WG is working on it
- it's not easy for the developers to change the date of test server patches, as the test server patch publishing has huge inertia
- the changes in some vehicles' camo factor are connected with unification of the camo factor counting metod on all the vehicles, based on their size - earlier, some vehicles had illogical camo factor, not corresponding to their size
- devs are discussing the implementation of another spall liner function: increase the saving throw of crewmembers and internal modules from arty HE shells by 20-30 percent
- the game crashes in research tree have been fixed in 0.8.6
- according to Storm, the French premium arty wasn't nerfed

79 comments:

  1. - devs are still thinking about removing the sniper mode reticle shake after shooting

    Please, it is more annoying than anything.

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    1. Doesn't turning off dynamic whatever it is get rid of it?

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    2. Yeah, but turning off the dynamic camera will make your gun shake on bumps/railways.
      As it is now is 50% good 50% bad.
      You choose.If you want a stable gun on the move or a stable gun.on shooting.

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    3. Truly... i prefer this option off, I rarely get situations where i need to shoot when crossing the railroad or other bumpy terrain as i often just stop to shoot with better aim while very often i do get "exchange fire" situations where dynamic camera simply puts me in disadvantage because of shaking.

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    4. I love the reticle shake. It's rather immersive. New sounds are appreciated for the same reason.

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  2. SP has so fuckin nice spaced armor.. 5 shots.. 5 penerations.. AT 7 and e75 did this.. e75 1 shots.. at 7 4 shots.. 2 shots was okay..

    So where the fuck is weak spot? mantlet or middle of hull??? and u still wanna nerf this shit...

    http://s11.postimg.org/lwnymf5oj/serb_nice_armor.jpg

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    1. Basically from front its turret hatches and machine gun on upper hull dont try to hit anything else or it will not go through...
      Those pen on from pic are only visual not "real"(just penetrated spaced armor not the one bellow)

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    2. hahaha... funny guy.. are u this mysterious SerB dude?

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    3. and this "visual" not real. hahaha. you really dont know how SP works. so SHUT up. buy SP and come training room. ill show you how good your visual really is ;)

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    4. No one likes internet warriors, so why trying to be one when nobody will continue conversation with you ?

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    5. Nope, not Serb, just average 1900 wn7 guy...

      Anyone who pens you on those spots from pic are lucky noobs with high pen guns(225+25%rng), generally its just a visual and if you are trying to duke it out with extra precise at-7 or e-75 with 12,8 you are doing something wrong anyway....

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    6. Those pen on from pic are only visual not "real"(just penetrated spaced armor not the one bellow)

      This is actually pretty accurate. If tank has spaced armor there can be holes in armor but that doesn't mean the SP took damage. There are holes even if you hit some part of the tank where hitbox doesn't recieve damage but only module gets destroyed. And it's a premium tank, nobody forced you to buy it so stfu and quit QQing

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  3. "according to Storm, the French premium arty wasn't nerfed "

    only its shells price was increased, and received the general 105 mm HEAT pen-nerf

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    1. And the HE shell goes 16% slower

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  4. "- tests stats do not confirm the opinion of some players that arty was in fact buffed, both arty hitrate and damage went apparently down"

    This would be relevant information if the test server represented live server game conditions, which it does not. It's not even close.

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  5. >devs are discussing the implementation of another spall liner function: increase the saving throw of crewmembers and internal modules from arty HE shells by 20-30 percent

    oh wow so now they finally think about giving its original purpose...

    but 20-30% is a joke, spall liner should completely negate none penetrating HE damage to crew (im not talking about damage to the tank itself), its already a huge burden for many tanks, especial when they talk about the XL spall liner that will come for many heavy tanks.

    The normal heavy spall liner already as 1T the XL is supposed to be even heavier.

    Hell I completely would change how the spall liner would work ->
    *negate the whole HE seep though damage to crew
    *only slightly reduce HE damage to tank itself (half it from what it is now 15% max for XL)
    *reduce weight by 1/3 for all version.

    No its specific tool to address one specific issue (crew damage), is not so much burden to tank itself but still requires a trade off (you already lose one slot for using it).

    There planed implementation is as useless as the current one. Its a waste of credits and weight.

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  6. When it comes to "logical" camo factor, i wished they implement the difference between low-flash German gunpowder and high-flash gunpowder that allies used. It would be logical and historical ;) .

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    1. But by the end of the war pretty much all of them were using low flash, so that's kinda negated ;)

      DeathMongrel

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  7. " tests stats do not confirm the opinion of some players that arty was in fact buffed, both arty hitrate and damage went apparently down"

    Ofcourse arty damage went down, arty is now hightier, and because of that they can do less damage..an S-51 facting T10 tanks can do more damage then a S-51 facing T5 tanks. just because there is less HP on the field.

    Does one really have to spell out everything for the devs?

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    1. S-51 will be T7, so it won't be matched against T10's.

      But beyond that, your argument makes no sense since you contradict yourself. Care to spell it out for us?

      DeathMongrel

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    2. S-51 facing T5 is kinda worst case scenario for the arty.
      Sure, heavy are still slow, but mediums and TD's are so much faster then Tier9/10.

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    3. Pretty sure, if arty oneshots tanks that means that not all damage from shell was utilizied, when arty shots tank and take 30%, 50% or 70% it means that all damage potential from shell was utilized. So, arty with lower MM weight, oneshoting everything on 0.8.6 battlefield will make less damage than that same arty with higher MM weight only damaging tanks on 0.8.5 battlefield.
      So it's means either Storm is lying making some rhetorical figure trying fool players or he didn't know mechanics of his game.

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    4. Okay here we go again

      8.5: S-51 meets T7-10 Tanks
      8.6: S-51 meets T5-9 Tanks
      That means is's absolutely logical that the average damage goes down, as usually T5 tanks have less HP then T10 tanks, hence artillery can't do much damage because there is less potential damage to do in the gma.e

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    5. Its pretty clear what he means, S51 now can face T10 tanks -> more HP more damage.
      8.6 S51 can only face T9 max, but often is Top tank with T7 and therefore only low Hp tanks are in game. -> less avg damage.

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    6. Yes, buuuuut....

      Lower Tier tanks = less armor = greater chance to Pen than higher Tier tanks = greater potential chance for damage = .....

      DeathMongrel

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    7. Doesn't really matter a none penetrating hit from a S51 on a T10 can range from 500-1000dmg and penetrating up to 2300dmg, so basically 2-4xT5 tanks or 1,5-2,5 T6 tanks.

      Even when you kill lets say 4 tanks in a T7 match you have will deal less damage then in a T10 game where you only kill one tank and damage one.

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    8. His argument is perfectly sound: Most arties will - on average - face lower tier enemy tanks.

      Therefore the average damage an arty inflicts will go down, too.

      For example the su26 in 8.5 can meet kv1s and other tier 6 tanks with 600 to 800 hp. Using gold (and that's what a su26 player uses for heavies) thats 200+ damage each shot, up to four times.

      In 8.6 there will be battles with a few tier 3s (su26 on of them) and a lot of tier 2s. Each tier 2 has less than 250 hp.

      So if a su26 in 8.5 shot one tier6 to hell it will have accumulated more damage done than a su26 in 8.6 that shot 3 to 4 tier 2s.

      So although it has had an higher effect on the outcome of that match it's average damage will be lower.
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      Although I myself am more fo a tanker than an arty player I always liked the way arty worked when I played tanks as well as when I played arties. (Getting one-shotted from time to time, yea. Thats shit. But not more so than an ammo rack.)

      But I fear they way it is now in 8.6 playing arty will be less fun and being hit by arty will be more frustrating. That's a lose-lose.

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    9. It's the same what I was thinking too. Storm is a retard if he didn't think about this. 6K damage on T10 -> you killed 2-3 tanks. 6K damage on T7 -> you killed half of the team. How hard it is to understand that? Complete retard.

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    10. /facepalm at Storm indeed... looks like he never thinks before answering questions

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  8. Personally I like the reticle shake it should be mandatory not optional.

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  9. I am still jerking off at the thought of a Storm-Serb threeway. Hopefully they are at least bisexual. I could drink their urine and eat their poo while they two team my large poop chute. I love the taste of fresh poo and warm urine. I hope they both bare back my ass, and feel my prostate.

    One you go gay you never return. You should try it, nothing like getting your cock sucked by a guy.

    Welcome to the new gay world fellas.

    thanks for listening,

    Woras

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    1. And then gays wonder why they get so much hate.
      Get yourself a marriage and stop wetdreaming in internets, lol...

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    2. I love this guy :D

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    3. Best part is he is hating so much on real guy who is using nickname "Woras" that he pathetically tries to convince someone that real Woras is writing those bullshit. He just achieved another level of stupidity.

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    4. Slide you penis up my poop chute Sweet boy.

      Thanks for listening,

      Woras

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    5. Woras kill yourself

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    6. I love it when serB trolling us with his stubby penis, his hot cum bathes us all, while we defecate with joy

      TheWhopper

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    7. Poo makes an excellent anal lube.

      Thanks for listening,

      Woras

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    8. No wonder the IQ of the comunity averages the one of a plant, but seeing the retard(s) above me writing shit on a blow about the game, makes u wonder why the fuck we are amazed by morons and idiots ingame...they are also in real live, practically everywhere and funny part is their infants will be even dumber, so enjoy a world of idiots, since the world WILL be their sooner or later.

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    9. One of the most retarded rage kids I've ever seen. Good thing he's a wt fanboy, so hopefully he will just move on to his beloved gay thunder and write about his fantasies there.

      BTW the real woras has an account here, why should he write as anon and sign his post? :D Ooooh, kids these days.

      orzel286_eu

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    10. Oh, one of the Woras haters/wannabe's post under his name...epic fail :))

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    11. You know, Frank, i think you should start censoring comments or your blog goes downhill fast. Or at least turn off anonymous posting?
      Some guys just don't know how to behave :( ... Do you really want such readers? And, even if they can still remain readers, writing is a privilige, not a right granted to every butthead.

      Posting this as an Anonymous ;) .

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    12. just offend Woras just because it is gay

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  10. Why can't they just offer a gold refund to all the SuperPershing owners?

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    1. As it's not useless, just now takes some angling of the hull. It's not like they removed 100 armor and let everything auto-pen the armor....

      Sheesh, so much self-entitlement in the gaming comunity. Makes me sad that people don't like things to be remotely challenging....

      -Kamahl1234

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    2. and angling becomes much more viable as well. as the front part of the hull is now much better hidden with the model change to the front.

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  11. Hey SP owners

    send ticket to support where you ask " i can refund my sp " ? perhaps 5000 "spam" tickets enough and wg wake up??

    or not, they think only money

    if we give devs 100000 euros and "she" buffs our SP gun 500mm. armor 500mm and speed 500km/h :D

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    1. They already said that 500,000 is the number they'd start to pay attention to.

      If SuperPershing needs a buff, give it the .36 accuracy of the Pershing's top gun (SP has .37) and give it the top engine off the E8 Sherman (520hp instead of 500).

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    2. I was thinking about the SP but SP can meet now with Tier9 arty which will rape it. I don't buy anything or only buy fast premium tank (maybe the new chinese) because slow tanks can not do anything now in the new MM when 2 tiers higher arty can come in the game.

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  12. - tests stats do not confirm the opinion of some players that arty was in fact buffed, both arty hitrate and damage went apparently down

    Of cause they are down, you just nerf their shell speed and RPM to hell, remember?

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  13. SerB should seriously consider to rename the game to World Of Arties, WOA after the MM is screwed up. Tier8 arties against tier6 heavys... (and the same for tier 7 and 8)

    This is insane. Just the splash will kill every tier6 heavies. FU, I'm behind a building and the arty hits the corner and I'm killed, this is the good ballanced gameplay (sarcasm). How much time did you think about this MM? Guess not much or drank too much vodka before. You should drink after the work not before.

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    1. You need to keep up to date with every thing else that is going to change. In 8.6 so are the current tier 8 arties now tier 10 and the new tier 8 arties are the old tier 6 arties or new ones.

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    2. no, the old tier 6 arties became tier 7 (exception: SU-14). which means you're going to have tier 5 vehicles spawn against 203mm armed SU-14-1, M12, Lorr 155, and GwPanther

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  14. World of Tankers unite and just turn around and shoot your teams arty. If everyone got on the bandwagon it would be an interesting turn of events for SerB and his beloved game...

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    1. so much butthurt...

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    2. Yes! Do that, please! Every retard will get banned, level of playerbase would increase! Kill your teammates, plz!


      orzel286_eu

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    3. Better still, agree with red team to swap coordinates for own arty

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  15. I support it. I'll create a new acc. I have an invite code anyhow and I'll develop a heavy line to 8 most likely the american or the IS line. This can be done in 1-2 weeks. I'll start the trolling then and wait for arty takes position (don't kill them within the starting circle) and kill them one by one. It will be a good fun. I'll be a funny guy and if I'll do it carefully then WG will not ban me for long. At least long enough to make the life of many arty bitter.

    Sorry, I just accidentally shooted at our arty. I thought it was the opponent. hahahaha

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    1. Arty is everyone's opponent, sides don't matter.

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    2. And did you happen to know that on high tier arties over 90% percent of "arty players" are people who play most of their games with non-arties? Only 5-10% play mostly arties.

      So do us all a favour and start your battles destroying your own tank.

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    3. It must be more than 5-10% because there are on average 4 arties on each side, that's 8 out of 30 vehicles, which is over 25%. We need to get it down to 15% (2.5 arties per team). Otherwise it is just a camping fest. It is no fun to drive in a slow heavy on open map. Either you got good teammates in medium tanks, the result is that you are always late to the party (=useless), or you don't have good mediums and then you have two options, either to die to arty very fast, or camp until your team is dead and die too. In all 3 cases very boring game.

      In overall, I still think that arty should mostly just immobilize the target, not to kill it so easily with 4-5 shells. But then nobody would be playing it. Oops! That's exactly the direction where we want to move in right? So I say lower the damage, increase the chance for tracks / view ports damage. Heavily armored tank should be able to withstand the pounding for 3-4 times longer than it can do now.

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    4. I was talking about "arty players", guys who play arties, not number of arties.

      Arty player:
      http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/166368-spgs-feedback/page__st__6280__pid__4925206#entry4925206

      Number of arties per battle:
      http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/166368-spgs-feedback/page__st__6200__pid__4902435#entry4902435

      Number of arties is real problem, but many here hate "arty players" for no real reason as most of those are just normal players.

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  16. YES!!! Shoot your arty team mates, good idea, and maybe soon all you morons will enjoy a holiday, hopefully forever.

    I just keep dreaming about a game without idiots and retards like you above.

    Fucking retards.

    PS: L2fuckingPlay.

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    1. The game is better without arty. Any further questions?

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    2. Yanked your chains, huh?
      That post inspired me to make a new acc; see you ingame.

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    3. I just keep dreaming about a game without retarded arty drivers like you

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    4. Too much butthurt above, see you ingame in godview, siemkas.

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    5. RLY? This is your solution to the "problem"? Teamkill???
      Like an alt account will save you from permaban, you idiots.Do you know the IPs can be tracked,right?

      And you wonder why you suck.....get some brains,go to school or better,stay away from wot.

      The post above me made me lol with "siemkas", rofl, but seems to match your intelect at best.

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    6. Games without it are so much more WoT that with them

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    7. 2 above: do you know how easy it is to use a proxy? google is your friend if you don't know what I'm talking about

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    8. Hehe, do you really think theese siemkas speaking about TKing own arty have any idea about that?

      Even if they knew,I bet they would't do it right in the 1st place and would get banned.

      Dude, you're talking about rocket science here,lol.

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  17. Info: Historically spall liner equipment was a layer of kevlar surrounding the inner part of the tanks (crew compartments), with only function to protect the crew from non-penetrating shots. When a shell detonates near the tank or you have a non-penetration shot on the tank, many little fragments of metal (called spal) flew all-around in the crew compartment resulting many injured or killed. So if they want to add additional saving throw for the crew members, it should have been done in the first place.

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  18. Leaked images of E-25 and 112
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EoABH7sBdzE/UayZP6KCUGI/AAAAAAAACpA/VF3tZ4S-xTM/s1600/1370223723_9xkkifors5c.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6p2MZIwGu6Q/UayZQQOmznI/AAAAAAAACpE/jHoZoOcGTpk/s1600/1370223747_50wqx-zxt0k.jpg

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  19. SoupPersh will remain unchanged in 8.6 (ie same as it is in 8.5), confirmed:

    http://valltergaming.blogspot.de/2013/06/86-fate-of-superpershing.html

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  20. - the "exploit" with shooting from behind two bushes will stay too, but the fix was already developed and will soon be implemented

    What exploit and what fix!?

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  21. T10 arty got nerfed (T92 even hard), but T8 arty playing against T6 tanks with ~2k alpha damage seems a bit harsh...

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  22. - the game crashes in research tree have been fixed in 0.8.6

    Cool story WG, but are the CTD's fixed for when you shoot or log into the battle? Those two are the most annoying ones, especially if those crashes happen in CW or a good random battle for you.

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  23. ProfessionalArtyPlayer420Jun 5, 2013, 3:55:00 PM

    i love the 0.8.6 Update! Hell YES, now i can Rape T6 Tanks with my T8 Artillery! everytime i Oneshot a Tank ill Jizz in My Pants! OFC it take some Serious Skills to Hit a Kv-1s with my 2000 DMG gun, but it feels so good :)

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  24. So does this mean my newly unlocked but yet to be purchased Jagdtiger camo factor is getting even worse? Not sure if I should purchase it in anycase(looks like the size of a house) :/

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