Hoow much is the fish!!!!Sorry, I had to do this ;) I think the E-25 looks pretty, I got the same modifikation standing in my vitrine. I will buy it in any status.
Currently, the game files say it costs 3200 gold, but that might change.
I dont get it. I saw some on the test server. Alpha testers can use in on the beta serv ?
Not alpha testers, Just Supertesters (bunch of russian players paid to test tanks before they come out), first phase they add the tank to the supertesters then next pach they add it for all.. ShonFol
Supertesters. And its not realy leaked, everyone with the right tools can read its values and change models in garage so they can view it...
tier 6 or tier 7 ?
judging by its hp -> tier7look at this 25tons and 700HPs similar mobility to BatChat?
Most likely VII, since it has 830 HP
I've seen it ingame. It is a Tier VII.
with those stats, should be tier 5, not tier 7.. thats just fail. But I guess they can charge you more gold on that tier.
Well pen sucks, but that thing has some serious dpm.
SU-122-44 has more DPM, more pen, 3 times the alpha, twice the armor, same traverse, but is just slower.E-25 is absolute fail. Its premium ammo even suffers from the normalization change. A retarded moron decided to make this in game. Also, no special MM, so the E-25 will see all the big T9 tanks. Handle that with a 150 pen pea shooter.
I agree that 150 pen is not enough for t7 td. Although excellent accuracy helps a lot. As e-25 is now, the SU-122-44 is far superior vehicle. Even still I would not like to face t9 even with that.Also I still think that this things dps is monstrous. With rammer and vents over 3k I think. Doesnt sound like a t5 vehicle to me. As it is still being tested we wont be able to form any kind of final judgement.
How do you know E-25 won't have special MM???
National(socialism) prevents them from buying a Russische panzer to begin with, they could end up discovering that the Russian bias is BS.
Even if it would have special MM then it still would have to go against KTs, IS-3s, KV-4s, T32s... Good luck with that. It looks pretty, is fast as hell, but face it - TD is all about gun and frontal armour - E-25 lacks both. Machine for scratching paint as it is. Lower its DPM and maybe engine power - and it would make an excellent T6 TD.
damn that thing will be agile.. D:almost like a little ELC, just a few tiers higherHajvanho
Except the ELC got a higher penetration and damage despite being lower tier. This one will play very diffrently.
150 mm pen, joke TD
use gold? LoL
0.3 accuracy with new system means ZERO misses at all, and its DPM is 2700 which more than good.
The DPM's worthless if it can't pen anything, and 150 pen at tier 7-8 means you won't be penetrating most of the time. This is just another example of the anti-German bias that runs rampant at WG - seriously, compare this nerfed gimpwagon to the OP-122-44 and tell me there's no bias at work.
Keep in mind that it has to hit a weekspot which is usually quiet small frontally,otherwise it will do no damage.
Yeah sure, German bias... the universe keeps conspiring around them and only around them. Try to complain about tanks that went live already, for a change.
So, its gonna be T6 or stays T7 with no one to play it ?Or better (balanced with Pz IV.S in mind), T7 with T7 only MM ?
3 sec reload time, 1,5 sec aimtime, 0,3 m (in)accuracytop speed: 65 km/h, track traverse: 44°/sec700 hp engine vs 27t (power/weight=25,9)And it has a size of a Hetzer!Unfortunately it will depend on agressive outflanking tactics, but it will be a nasty surprise, once someone masters this diabolical thing :)
Like that Hetzer or StuG III crew with 100% camouflage and two or three other skills. :D
Why a nasty surprise? A nasty surprise would be an SU-122-44. This will be an annoyance, easily dismissed by all but the lowest tiers. It is a goddamn Stug that is just a little faster with a higher rate of fire. Literally, that is all this is, but two tiers higher. Would you be afraid of a Stug in your IS, Jagdpanther, 122-44, T-43, etc?
True, I would prefer a large calibre gun too. But at least this thing will be difficult to hit and most likely will be easy to hide as well. The aimtime will let you shoot just after spotting your opponent, don't have to wait 3-4 sec, plus the accuracy will be most likely insane, even if you compare it to the new distribution system.I never said (wrote) that it would be easy to play. But I'm sure there will be a few players who will know how to outflank with it and deal massive dmg from behind without getting spotted.
Meanwhile the SU-122-44 can do more damage and more money with much less effort.If I wanted to gimp myself, I'd platoon in my Stug with a T7.
True, de high alpha rules.
Buy a SU-122-44 instead then. Can't see the problem. People adapts to the gameplay that fits them better.
Maybe he has German TD crew that he wants to train? Cannot do that in OP-122-44.Besides - look at German premium TDs vs. Soviet ones:T6 - Dicker Max vs. SU-100-YT7 - E-25 vs. SU-122-44I don't know about you, but for me both Soviet vehicles seem much better than German counterparts.It really wouldn't be too hard to make E-25 work - just give it L/100 gun or ACPR shells for L/70 as a standard. 198 avg. pen - all problems solved (well maybe slight reduction of RoF would be necessary).
Two Soviet vehicles being better than their German counterparts, what a horror...If you have German TD crews to train, train them naturally. Premium tanks are prescindible.
Somebody remind me again, wasn't Wargaming's entire business plan built around making me buy their premium tanks and stuff?If so, they are doing a terrible job at it.
20% fire chance? with that armor? guess we can nickname this TD : the living torch. If it doesnt have preferential MM then its a DOA TD.
20% fire chance is the norm on vehicles below tier 8 lol
And also 50mm armor, right?....genious...
Der God only 60 shells D=
How do u know?
there is a leaked image of Wz-112 toohttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6p2MZIwGu6Q/UayZQQOmznI/AAAAAAAACpE/jHoZoOcGTpk/s1600/1370223747_50wqx-zxt0k.jpg
150 pen? Fuck you, WG! I was going to buy this with the 198 pen it originally had, but your love of gutting German tanks means you'll not now be getting any money from me. I expect we'll see massive nerfs to the SU-122-44 now, yes? This gun is weak at tier 6, at tier 7 it's a sad joke.Oh wait...it's Russian. Yet ANOTHER massive kick in the balls to German tank fans from WG.
I absolutely agree, after the reading the first news i wanted to buy that thing.Id love to have a t7 TD with Panthers gun- besides it awfull look its a great gun. I dont care about some half-made up stats, there is enough of such stuff already in game and i can live with that as long as it works.But i will never ever buy a tier 7 TD with 150 Pen...No way!And even if it will be put at t6-i dont want another Jagdpanzer4 even if its faster!!!I dont get it either...The E25 was announced a ling time and it really is a concept that looks awesome.Why doesnt Wg show at least the little effort to make it a fun vehicle? It doesnt have to be OP or superior to anything else..
L/100 would be perfect weapon for this tank imho.
"Oh no look at me, I won't buy a tank..." Where's the drama on that? If you don't want to, just don't. Nobody is forcing you to play it, not that you have to grind it either.Some people should try to enjoy a tank disregarding the emblem in it. If it's a Soviet tank, okay, play it, why not? I can only see prejudices in avoiding a certain nation or playing one and just one.
Maybe someone has German TD crew to train, duh?
Oh no, that'd be horrible! Does CNN know about this?
Give it Konisch then it would be awesome...
With premium MM it would be reeeeallllyyyy fckng diabolic. It really is going to have normal MM? :<Give it special MM and I ll buy it for sure.
Remember, German tanks only get nerfed from ST to live, never buffed. So it is a full T7 MM vehicle with a T5 gun. 50 mm of armor, less DPM than its competition, less pen than its competition, and will be easily slaughtered by most tanks it faces.And the ammo count. Still 60, right? You will run out of ammo before you do enough damage for a good game.
less DPM than its competition?please, tell me which tier 7 TD has 2700 damage per minute.
SU-122-44: 2 925SU-152: 3 163 (122)SU-101: 2 999 (122) / 2 704 (100)French and US don't get even close. JP with 88L71/105 has a chance (2 361/ 2 342).
Apologies, SU-101 is T8, meant SU-100M1 and that has cca 2189.
20 rof means in 3 min you have fired all your shots.
and if you're good at this game, you did 8.100 damage.tell me if that isn't enough to win 100% of your battles
Yep, 8100 damage with 150 penetration. Sounds very likely.
Any info what the new German TD's are based on? As in engine type or what specific feature it will be based around?E-25 has only 4 crew, if the new line is also fast & manoeuvrable it may too have a base crew of only 4 in which case this will be another reason to buy it..I like the stats, it has plenty to offer besides the low Pen & Alpha. To quote SerB something like- " don't like, don't play.."TitanLegion
No, the new line would not be more manoeuvrable than the current TD line, they are about to have bigger gun and better viewrange.
Hmm.. Up to tier VII the German TD's are ambush TD's, then @ VIII you have armour (Ferdi) Vs Speed (JgPanII)then IX & X are armoured & slow. You say the new line will be less manoeuvrable with bigger gun ( so more Pen & Alpha/ DPM) plus better view range, it will be interesting to see what's released, lots of people are eagerly awaiting these German TD's..Still will be surprised if the E-25 doesn't tie in with the new branch although we do have in shop D-Max(4crew) JgTig88(6) so we do already have choices I guess.TitanLegion
So tons of people have been winning for a long time because you have to use again the L/70 with the JagdPz IV, which is not very effective agains tier VIII tanks, and now Wargaming gives us a tier VII TD again with the L/70.........Nice trolling WG, nice trolling... but you know, this time is a Premium tank, so no need to use it at all.
Realistically, if someone let's you fire on them constantly, will take between 10 and 15 shells to kill an average opponent. You have 60. Would be like giving the E-100 9 shells a match.Just.... There is so much stupid with this vehicle I am amazed that WG developers are not losing arms from Krokodil every moment. I mean, what the fuck? A T7 Stug with he same gun and armor? Retarded. Morons.
you clearly didn't read the 0.3 accuracy and the 20 rounds per minute.
Still, this is StuGIII with bumped up top speed RoF and sligtly better accuracy and Hetzer's armour. On tier 7! Good luck going against KTs and IS-3 in this one.Besides - what good comes of that RoF if you cannot pen anything? And trying to use APCR is most certainly going to end in loses, just because that huge RoF and low alpha, considering that APCR for L/70 are a bit pricey for the raw DMG they do. For a tier 6 it would be amazing. On tier 7 it looks like a joke, especially when compared to the SU-122-44. L/100 and lower RoF would be way to go (or at least APCR as a standard ammo).
That is unless WG is going to introduce rewards for "scratching the paintjob", then it will excell!
2 and a half minutes of firing, then you are out of ammo.Can't think of any other tank that even comes close to that low an ammo count.
well, I have the Panther M10, same gun but good MM and it is OK.... of a medium tank, not a TD, and this guns is terrible at pening the su-122-44 frontally. So, a tier 7 fight between these two is ridiculously unbalanced. Also, dont say L70 is precise because it misses a lot on long range sniping. To finish, this tank with those stats is just bad. But I dont care, I already have the JT88 so I'm ok on german tds, what I need is a premium tier 6 or 7 german.
TD version of L/70 has 0.33 (stug, JagdPanz IV).E-25 version of L/70 (as portrayed in the picture) has 0.3.Not accurate? Yeah, sure
I think that they should "cheat" a bit and just give it an L/100 gun. Right now it is worse than Dicker Max, and probably there won't be crowds waiting in queues to buy one.
you haven't read the rate of fire entry
With that pen it is just a paint scrapper. Or you can load full gold, but premium ammo for L/70 is rather overpriced for it's damage.
I think this gun could be buffed in an easy way!Have APCR as a standard AP round with 194 pen and give it HEAT shells as premium with about 240 pen, then it would still be the same L70 and would be more similar to the panthers L100! I think this gun would do great in that way!Still want one though!Greets Snail!
I don`t know what People have with the good Accuracy. OK, the E-25 have a good Accuracy, but what u want with that, when u don´t can penetrate a Tank? This Tank is a Joke and I dont want a TD that is made for flanking the Enemy. I like to drive a TD and I am a [very] good TD-Driver. So....Will E-25 come as T7, buff the Penetration to 172/175 or better. Will E-25 come as T6, buff the Penetration to 165 or a bit better.But rigt now the E-25 is a Joke. Himmelskugel
20 rounds per minute on a 135 damage gun?Holy shit i'm so getting it
65 kph? okay, time to scout with this tank....
Would have bought it for sure, but not with 150 Pen. That's ridiculous for a tank "destroyer". It won't destroy anything. *pling* *pling* *pling*. Oh well it's German, not Russian. So it was expected that it will suck.
I think many people are mistaken here when obsessing over the gun's penetration. This is not a "sit still and shoot people in the face from afar" kind of td (which need good pen), this is a "zoom about and surprise-buttsecks distracted people" kind of td (which do not need pen all that badly - this is enough).The selling point here is the size and mobility, and to a lesser extent the dpm.With such godlike speed and agility it will be like a bit different ELC - it doesnt have the pen, but is a lot more accurate, and aims immeasurably faster (ergo you dont need pen, as with the new 8.6 shot distribution, this 0,3 accuracy with that godlike aimtime will never miss weakspots if you know what you are doing).What you have here is a tank that can run around like a T-50-2, most likely with good camo, can quickly unload a world of hurt on distracted backsides, and then gtfo to find another rear end.Beautiful, I will be SO getting it on day one.
(same poster)To iterate on this some more - with vents and rammer this thing will have a reload time of 2,5 seconds. Thats almost an autoloader. So run behind stuff (and you can, with this mobility), and in ten seconds you have done 675 damage. Or 405 damage in five seconds.I fail to see how this is not awesome.So: see past the penetration, see instead the 65 km/h, see the 44 traverse, see the 25 hp/ton, see how tiny it is...Good stuff.
You fail to see that you will not even pen the backsides of many many tanks in Tier 7-9 with only 150 Pen.Have fun shooting the back of e.g. KV4...
idiots still don't realize, it does not have a turret, will run out of ammo less then 3 minutes of firing, low view range, and oh ya, no turret.Your dreams of playing like a 13 75 are stupid.
It doesnt need to fire in a continuous stream for 3 minutes, thats dumb. 60 rounds mean twenty 5-sec bursts of 400 damage, which is more than enough.I looked up its gun traverse, its -12/+12 (ELC has -15/+15)All in all, Imo it can work like (and more than) an ELC:Worse: - sees tier 9, elc tops at tier 8 - 20 less pen - about half the alpha - 80% gun traverse angle (24 vs 30) - probably a bit bigger sizeSame: - view rangeBetter: - 2,5 sec reload versus 10 seconds (both with vent, rammer) - 1,5 aimtime versus 2,9 - near twice as fast. Among the best ingame - 0,3 accuracy versus 0,38 - literally nothing better ingame - 0,18 movement dispersion versus 0,25 (this is insanely good btw) - 44 track traverse versus 38 - 25 hp/ton versus 22,5 - armor and weight is small, but not entirely nonexistent (can ram an arty and not get crippled) - near double the HP - more crew members - more perks - twice the radio rangeIf you like flanking and killing things with an ELC, (as opposed to just sitting in a bush and blapping someone every now and then, which is also fun, granted) you will find this looks to be all that and more - a mutated ELC.Whereas if you want to pretend you are a Ferdi, sitting and blasting faces, you will not like it. Hence all the hate.So yeh, its not easymode, but bigger alpha and pen would make it hilariously OP. You cant have this good mobility and a doomcannon, that would be insane.If you dont want the mobility but want a good gun on tier six, you have the Dicker Max, so let us have our zippy little ELC-ripoff please.
You are an idiot. ELC gets scout tank bonuses. ELC also sucks.Compare this TD to the SU-122-44.Tank will fail. Idiot anti-German fanboys are idiot anti-German fanboys.
There is no such thing as a scout bonus. Camo bonus reamining high while moving is a light tank characteristic, but its not there on all lights, not at the same degree everywhere, and other non-light tanks have it too to varying extents, if you were referring to that.ELC does not suck for me, therefore the E-25 does not suck for me either, and Im not alone. If you dont like that playstyle, then this tank is not for you. There are two more german premium tank destroyers, use those.There is no point in comparing it to the SU-122-44, they are very different tanks. Apples and oranges.
The E-25 is not an ELC, not even close. Why would you compare a fucking T7 TD to a T5 light tank? E-25 will be fighting, guess what, 122-44s, E-75s, IS-6s, Tortoises, T54s. ELC is still 1/4 the size, and has a higher pen with double damage gun. You really think that is a comparison?Christ people are stupid.
150mm pen is not enough... tell that to my little Chaffee who constantly annoys T7 and T8 vehicles who ignore them... and are dead a little bit laterIf you know how to flank and use distracted enemys you can use that much pen pretty well. This tank will be very fast for a TD and i expect a very good camoso flanking and sniping from those flanks wont be a big issue. I cant wait to have this thing in my garageregardsjup331
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