Presenting you - the Aufklärungspanzer Panther.
If you think it's crap, you'd be right. It has a stock Leopard turret - this is the VK2801 turret, that serves as an upgrade. That's right, the model is 100 percent recycled. But wait, there's more! The top gun is the VK3601 "konisch" (so much for "we don't want P2W"), the engine is the HL234A (estimated 850hp), so you can imagine this thing is slow. Oh and then there's that 0 depression (think Panzer IV/V). This vehicle will be awesome to grind indeed.
So I come home to read I've bought shells for nothing, and that the light panther is not only shit, but recycled shit.
ReplyDeleteGreat.
Sometimes no news is better...But thanks anyways SS
yeah, i just got in too..
Deletealso.. SS "Gee.... and they wonder why players get pissed and publish leaks..." I see what you did there.. :P hehehe
And even the worst, it looks like recycled trash...
ReplyDeleteDidnt they say: "there will be no more tanks with konisch gun"?
ReplyDeleteThey are just old-good soviet liars....
DeleteI'll just hope it won't survive the supertest... and I'll just forget that it exists... let's just do that... let's forget about it...
ReplyDelete+1 on your statement lol
ReplyDeletei wonder how the devs will defend this tank, what its good trades would be. let me gues:
- good armour (yeah it will have very good armour for a scout but given the tanks it faces, useless anyay)
- high hp?(they like to buff hp if it underperforms, but who is interested in that anyway as all shots aimed at u hit regardless cause of the speed)
- a good gun (yeah gold rounds ftw)
and yes i am starting to get disapointed in wg
It will not survive... It must not survive.
ReplyDeleteWhat a crap tank.
ReplyDeleteOh, man! I'm laughing since the last blog entry. XD
ReplyDeleteThis is a quote by you. Do you stand by it? Followed you a long time.
ReplyDelete"This is the supertest, they can easily buff it again, no reason to rage. BTW this exactly is why WG doesn't hand out supertest info just so, people start to rage on supertest changes. Also even IF all you said was true, they can easily buff the soft mobility stats, such as terrain resistance."
You are acting more and more strange....
Many regards
seems u have missed a number off things happening today, (and before) wich explain why he feals this way and reacts this way. honestly said, i would do the same
DeleteI have missed nothing. Why would he feel that way and react that way?
DeleteAnd what does that have todo with the post? He himself says that supertest info is not final, yet he know whines about a certain supertest tank?
DeleteThe supertest info is not final. That much is true. But I don't see the recycled model changing, or the general concept of the vehicle.
Deleteyeah, IMO this post is kind of ridiculous. I'm not sure what everybody was expecting. This is the design that has been depicted for months now. Honestly I wish the supertester was leaking to someone more respectful. Instead OP seems to be contributing the the traditional spouting of negative bullshit that is everywhere in this game.
DeleteWell the OP is me and I am rarely too negative, only when the design is bad. Too bad you are stuck with me. If you don't like it, don't read it.
DeleteI've greatly enjoyed most of your content. But I will stop reading if you devolve into a glorified forum troll.
DeleteSure the design is bad, but it may be the best historical successor to the 2801. It will probably be balanced with an absurd view range and great passability. I wouldn't say that you should take a positive attitude towards tanks you don't like, but maybe try to be a bit more level headed.
"This thing is huge and bulky with a derpy gun, but it may prove to find a niche on the battlefield or in champion companies"
Well, I was pissed when I wrote this, but in the end, it doesn't matter, does it? It is my opinion that this won't work. I hope to be wrong, but... we'll see.
DeleteAgreed, it's still way too early to rage and whine. Honestly I didn't expect this to be a fast tank, it's obese like most German tanks you'd need a rocket to move it fast, while I don't understand the P2W reaction to the Konisch gun if you consider that a lot of players are already using the VK2801 with the HEAT loaded derp gun...
DeleteAs another member who loves this site because of your info and level headed posts, I hope you continue.
DeleteI can understand a little why you are upset about the shell bug on the live server, but tbh, a bug is a bug, and you ALL your creds back.
Also as anon above has posted, anything can change on the supertest. Personally, I hope for an E50 engine dropped into the ack panz
I don't care about scout tanks(totally hate to grind through two scouts to get to the T57, so I didn't) but I had kind of hopes, that it would be more pantherish. The biggest flaw lookwise ist the missing "Rommelkiste", the box behind the turret, making the turret look bigger and "cooler".
DeletePutting in the conish gun is a little weird, I guess they watered down their rules, because of silver premium ammo. If it had the howitzer, most people would just gold ammo anyway.
Snortsch
"This thing is huge and bulky with a derpy gun, but it may prove to find a niche on the battlefield or in champion companies"
DeleteThat sentence is typical bullshit created by some wg guys to cover obvious imperfections of game.
And from info already there, regardless of view range and passability, this will be "grind through and forget" tank. Like many others.
Even though the supertest info is not final, we get the generall idea how bad that tank probably will be. Another german usless, unplayable crap. Just compare it to the T71...
Deleteso after 2801 another LT gold only. My only concern is that it's really UGLY.
ReplyDeleteWaitwhat?
ReplyDeleteMy Pz V/IV which is of (approximately) the same weight and with a comparable engine, can outrun most scouts. I wouldn't call that slow.
I meant the depression.
DeleteAnd I quote you:
Delete"the engine is the HL234A (estimated 850hp), so you can imagine this thing is slow"
Aufklarungs Panther would be around 35-40 tons I guess, the same as the Pz V/IV (39 tons). The Pz V/IV has a 870 HP engine. So yeah, they are comparable on that too. So no, the Aufklarungs Panther will not be slow, if your stats are correct. (which I doubt, since the Pz V/IV is a tier 6 light)
Oh, you're mistaken on the depression part too, the Pz V/IV does have depression. Not much, it's the same as the toptier Chinese afaik.
Wait what?
DeleteI always thought Pz V/IV is a med...
It is. I was reacting a little too quick.
DeleteThis is intended for tier 7, Many players choose to use the 10.5 derp for their panther grind. Here we have a faster panther with the 10.5 derp. I dont get why everyone has to be so negative all the time. Entitled morons.
ReplyDeleteExcept, buddy... EXCEPT:
Delete1) special MM to face tier X tanks (it is a SCOUT, mind you)
2) VK2801, PzIV and others: 10,5 cm depression 10(ish). Here, It will be like 2.
3) HUGE hull with (in all probability) crappy camo rating.
4) Same turret and gun (unless you wanna P2W with the Konisch) as the VK2801.
Shall I go on?
I imagine this playing somewhat as a hybrid medium. faster than the tier 7-8 meds, better view range, It would be a killer anti-scout. Every tank has its role.
Delete"Every tank has its role" - so I wander why my scouts are more and more often going to high tier battles with NO f*** arty to kill!
DeleteWell, they must have gone totally crazy! Huge Panther hull with VK's turret and zero depression = totally flawed design. Unless they fit it with 1500m sight range and see-through-hill ability... /sarcasm
ReplyDeleteI can live with Pz V/IV being totally useless (after all, it's a freebie) but THIS?
zero depression is an exaggeration, you can tell from the model that there will be some, this turret is taller than the pzIVturn. The tank will perform fine.
Deleteyet another useless piece of shit, errr german tank, in WoT.
ReplyDeleteThanks wargaming for trolling us over and over again.
good that i stopped "financing" them many months ago. not a single € will they see ever again from me.
i bet that the Leo 1 will suck even more because on paper it is already inferior to the british tier X in WoT. good job.
amazing gun, amazing speed and maneuverability... how is it inferior to the slow ass 4202?
DeleteDespite everything seems to be fu** up, lots of drama,lots of rage,you always do a good job on this blog.I don't know if you are or were a WG employee,but you are certainly not like THEM.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work...
After the FailLowe, we bring you the FailPanther!
ReplyDeleteTell me there is no anti german bias. moi 4ovek ;)
DeleteПърво виж в какво състояние са ИС-4/7 и тогава говори за "Bias" ;)
DeleteTo quote Call of Duty: "No Russian"
DeleteCyrillic doesnt equal Russian.
DeleteIS4 is all right, but IS7 may need some adjustments to be honest, most probably in the gun section.
DeleteP.S. What language? Can kind of understand the text, feels like very, very broken Russian.
P.S.S Ah, Google translate says Bulgarian.
Znam. No tuk pi6 na anglijski. Merci!
DeleteFair enough.
DeleteThe IS-4 is a piece of sh*t. A bounce on the upper front plate sends the shell into the turret...
P.S. You could say Russian is broken Bulgarian hehe.
Don't stop here, SilentStalker, release whatever else you have. WG deserve it.
ReplyDeleteWas hoping that after the big profit i will make from the shells sale, i could have enough to buy some of new german medium tanks. Such as this one!
ReplyDeleteNow my dream is gone!! FUCK!
??? Medium tanks?????? Did you even read this post? Can you even read?
DeleteTo be fair, a Panther hull makes the "light" part
Deletekind of nonsensical ^^
Snortsch
I still fail to see the purpose of people loving the game, shouting comments for it hoping it to be killed, rather than come up with constructive things to make it better?
ReplyDeleteThis is something i will never understand.
I've never seen a game with such a destructive community.
DeleteI agree! I don't get why it's such a bad thing that the ammo exploit won't work on EU. The russians got to abuse it but why should we care? They are on a seperate server. There are many people who wouldn't profit from this on EU, simply because not knowing about it, so how's that for fair treatment?
DeletePeople seem to be too focused on tank stats. I like playing unique Tanks and finding out their role on the Battlefield. So far Iv'e been able to adjust and perform "well" with every tank.
maybe because constructive comment are almost never taken into account
Deleteor maybe that commmunity gets destructive after knowing the devs and support a bit better.
MOst of people I know hates WG and thinks of them as idiots that have great product and break it a piece at the time.
All of them started as WG lovers and evolved to WG haters over time.
You will join us, brother :D
"I've never seen a game with such a destructive community"
DeleteI have never seen such a good game developed by such idiotic devs.
There are many reasons so many ppl hate WG, and tbo - WG earned it throughout the time. The current situation with shells is one of many where WG shows respectless attitude for their customers.
Shame on WG. As soon as WarThunder is ready, I change.
Did they made the RU251 and its already on super test? (and VK2001)
ReplyDeleteIt actually looks a bit worse than I expected due to the lack of gun depression. To be constructive, I guess they could give it some magic engine and make it great at ramming.
ReplyDeleteI would absolutely love to ram some t71s to death.
DeleteStats look no worse than the PV/IV gift tank :(
ReplyDeleteI can already imagine a situation like this. The enemy T-50-2 run in your base to kill arty, once you finally arrive it has killed (or has not yet killed) the artillery. You try to ram it, it drives aside, gets in you side and slowly kills you while you helplessly, not being able to hit him, die.
ReplyDeletemeke it premium
ReplyDeleteim disapointed of wg and wot!
ReplyDeletei dont think that im gonne do it for one more year! need a new game... with no jewry
Try Warthunder, better in every aspect. Especially when they add tanks and naval units.
DeleteIs Warthunder ready? How can you play it, beta sings-up? And when are tanks expected to come?
DeleteIt's in open beta stage. Just go to warthunder.com register,download the client and enjoy it :)
Delete@ Anon #2, tanks and naval units are coming "soon", there are already lots of ground units and ships in the game but they are AI controlled at the moment. Impossible to guess what is "soon", could be 2 months or could be 6 months. Anyway I found the planes fun also, which I thought wouldn't happen (I have always liked tanks and ships more than planes) but hey it surprised me positively.
DeleteWhy you feed us with ban news?:<
ReplyDeleteThis tank is shit... I wait 2+ years for this SHIT! More anti-German & pro-Russian bias. So sick of this crap WG. I'm off to War Thunder and I'm taking my wallet with me.
ReplyDeleteSilentStalker now you can show us all what you have. :)
ReplyDeleteI think when ever WG does something stupid, he will give us something from the supertest lol.
DeleteThat would be great,we would have new info every day!
Delete"That would be great,we would have new info every day!"
DeleteM4A2E4 gun depression "fix" - 1 more leak pls!
As much as I may cringe looking at this thing...any idea how much xp to unlock it.
ReplyDelete(Already aware that in all likelihood it is between 43,000 and 67,000; just looking for a more definite number if possible)
Methinks the top tier light (that's actually Russian) will be incredibly awesome, and that the entire German light line up to it will be a big "Spend gold for free Xp HERE" sign.
ReplyDeleteAny idea on how much XP it'll take to get this POS?
Light tanks are a waste. Only a few good ones, and guess what, they are not German I can tell you that.
ReplyDeleteHow lazy are they in Minsk? They have a perfect, very unique option to use and they decide to just recycle. Then it's time to start looking for talented modders to model Beobachtungsturm, because VK2801-turm looks idiotic.
ReplyDelete>Scout tank with a huge silhoutte and presumably no camo
ReplyDelete>Mobility most likely comparable to a medium
>Gun that is ineffective unless spamming OP gold rounds
>Donotwant.jpg
-Platypusbill
There is a chance they are just using the Leopard and VK2801 turrets because they haven't finished modelling the actual turret yet. At least I hope so...
ReplyDeleteDamn that thing looks depressing. One more niche vehicle to German tree.
ReplyDeleteDepressing? This tank has nowhere to look but up!
DeleteIf you get a seashell and cup it in your hands and point it @ the geographic azimuth of Minsk you can hear a faint "huehuehue" whispering in the wind.
ReplyDeleteNo reason they couldn't keep the weight near the low 30t range, couple that with the 970hp engine and you will have good maneuverability. Also neutral turn.
ReplyDeleteFor reference The GW Panther does weigh 28 tons stock with 50/30/30 armor and a hugeass gun mounted on it and is quite nimle even with a weak 460~ hp engine.
Scrubs may whine but Unicums will abuse this tank for what it is, a killer scout.
Err i meant 870hp
DeleteIt will have more HP than SilentStalker claims. The HL234 was intended for the E100, and look how much HP that has. The HL210 from the Pz V/IV has 870 HP and I figure the HL234 will most likely have a lot more.
DeleteSS, pls tell us that the tier 8 is looking great and plays even better... :|
ReplyDeleteBad depression? The depression is way too good. I was never so depressed about this game.
ReplyDeleteThe mixture Failowe + Failsupertest + Failammotrick + Failpanther has let me really really down.
Everyones mad....
ReplyDeleteLeak the shit out and screw them.
ReplyDeleteIn supertest stage things can still change, in regular test we al know that NO.
Seeing how serious is the whole supertest frame, crew, etc, it is a great thing to have leaks so all us can share our thoughts with the devs so they can know when they are going just too far in their crusade of shitting in the whole german branch.
horrible to look at, still getting it though, can't resist the german charme!!!! (and most probably going to enjoy it)
ReplyDeleteMaybe they will give it apcr as default ammo on the top gun and give it different premium ammo, they have on other tanks.
ReplyDeletewhat other tanks ?
Deletesl8
Any medium with a tier X gun, the T71 with the top gun.
DeleteAnd there went the hope of seeing that tank using the VK3002db's stock turret as top turret and 7.5cm/L70 out of the window...
ReplyDelete- Asemah
Who wants to grind through this piece of shit? Remember how bad the Panther I is in terms of module damage. And this thing is best used as a sniper from a certain distance, where you won't get hit so often.
ReplyDeleteNow try to imagine you're going to fight another scout like the T71 with your precious Aufklärungspanther. You'll be crippled, lit on fire several times and overall just getting destroyed if you're not able to ram your enemy.
Imo the VK2801 and Aufklärungspanther should swap positions in the techtree, while the VK should get seriously buffed in order to fit into Tier 7.
It's better to have 1200 hp and fast to be competitive
ReplyDeleteIt's too big to be a scout
Last thing we needed is a Frankenstein tank... hopefully it is just another fake.
ReplyDeleteRy0ken here:
ReplyDelete... but remember kids, there is NOOO anti German bias!
Have any of you maybe thought about the possibility that the VK2801 turret is a PLACEHOLDER? Wishful thinking, probably, but it's a possibility I wouldn't discount.
ReplyDeleteWell i gotta say if thats where the light line is going then its not going to be fun.
ReplyDeleteThat thing will be so easy to hit and when comparing the size to other light so of same tier combined with next to no depression, its going to be easy prey for other lights as it wont be able to hit them when there scrapping against its sides.
This thing better have very good turn rate, turret rotation and drive by shooting.