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Jan 22, 2013

The filth of the EU community

Hello everyone,

today, I am going to write about something pretty serious, at least in my eyes. As some of you know (and others might have figured out from the blogspot.cz domain), I am Czech. For quite some time (practically my whole WoT career, until December 2012) I was a part of the Czechoslovak community and I left for reasons unrelated to this article.

However, after more than a year spent on the official Czechoslovak forums, I must say that I consider the Czechoslovak community to be one of the worst EU server communities, possibly THE worst. While some members are quite nice people and great to talk to in real life and in the game (you know who you guys are, next beers are on me), I have never EVER in any other forum section (I generally go thru the German, Polish, sometimes French and naturally the overall english sections) seen such vile hostility, anti-semitic and anti-Polish rants and more. Especially the last issue seems to dominate the Clanwars, but not only that. Last November, during the Polish Independence event, the Czechoslovak thread about this was the only thread from what I could see that degraded into a vile anti-Polish rant. It was so bad the Polish community organizer had to come in and actually apologize for the Polish having the event. It was totally humiliating. I know I myself sometimes made "siemka" jokes in the English and Czechoslovak forum sections both, but this was just ugh....

Of course, it wasn't the only case. Only yesterday in an official forum CW thread some pretty vile comments sprung up. Everything started with player Cnnk (who is Czech, but also a member of a Polish clan) posting that certain Czechoslovak clan (CTB-P) spouted anti-Polish bullshit in Clanwars chat.





Translation: What happened yesterday on the CW channel around 21:45 ...that was again an example of the Czech cream of the crop - insulting Polish, insulting homosexuals, insulting the Jews... genocide, threats.. etc. I can take a lot, for in my whole time this was for the first time when I took screenshots a bit and sent a support ticket ....some people should really think on their behavior - especially the CTB-P clan, of which most of the offenders came, including its leadership...

Well, it didn't stop there. The mentioned clan came to have a "nice chat" in that thread.

Translation: And we can get insulted by the Polish? You didn't see that? You cowshit... don't forget to send screenies to support, you collaborator. It was a Polak who provoked it, you didn't see that? How do we calculate the escape velocity of a Jew from a concentration camp? The height of the chimney + wind velocity. PS: black humor






As you can see, such "jokes" of poor taste are not banned from the CZ section of EU server. At least not for a while - I really hope the Czech mods will pull their shit together and ban these fuckers. If there is something I really can't stand, it's antisemitism. Also, as you can see, a Czech player playing with the Polish players is not tolerated and is called a "collaborator" (as in "with the enemy"). Anyway, Cnnk reacted by stating he'd like them to get banned for this, because they behave like pigs. The reaction came swiftly:





Translation: For cNNk - Pigs? Are you normal? Looks like my taxes are paying for the computers in Bohnice mental asylum! That's where you belong, for starters. You aren't supposed to talk about us, you asshole! Mind your own business and keep us away from your conversation, did someone attack you? If you don't like what we write in the chat, leave and go play tic tac toe... you'd be better off with other mental retards talking about new pills! You are a complete shit, who acts like a nations delegate! The worst people come from Poland and that's a fact, but everyone gets mad when they hear the truth. Go play in a sandbox and don't talk about us you pig! Or the Polaks (SS: "pšonci" is a derogatory Czech term for Polish) will learn what "Vanďák" is. (SS: Vanďák is a local name for the town of Varnsdorf, which is partially Polish - basically it's a call for national conflict).

And to top it off, one last player from the same clan posted a really nice wish:



Translation: We might not be a better race, but to meet such a collaborating cripple like you are.... I can only say a few words... take a pill and change the tyres on your wheelchair and go play with your own kind and I think the avatar you are using is your authentic photo and that speaks for itself.




Nice, isn't it? This is not an isolated incident. This sort of shit happened several times in the past. I have never seen such crap in other sections. Anywhere. To be fair, other "usual" forum members didn't approve of this crap, but this is why the Czechoslovak community has (often rightfully) the reputation of one of the worst and most aggressive communities of WoT. Yes, I do not like them in general. That much is known and after the "Czechout incident" and their reaction to it, I like them even less. But that doesn't change the fact that this sort of shit really shouldn't happen.

65 comments:

  1. And i thought i had some black humor jokes......

    This is really crossing a line that should not be crossed. Didn't know that those country's were that racist. Glad im living in a country a lot more open minded.

    WG should act upon this, but considering WG is russian (and they are also not open minded) i doubt anything will happen except maybe mod some posts.

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    1. racist?! what the ....
      that's an insult to the people who are victims of the real racism

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  2. Uuuu, I see that many Czechs have some really big problem with Poles.

    It is funny cause Czechs are most liked nation by Poles in most polls with question about such preferences.

    In poll made around year ago most liked nations by Poles were Czechs 58 prc and Slovaks - 57 prc. (it was multiple choice poll)

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    1. Yes well... I had some personal conflicts with the Polish too, because at some point some Polish on the forum were like "waaa waaaaaa brave Poland, Czechoslovakia surrendered" and then the shit went on. But nothing on this level.

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  3. to be honest polish community isn't better - maybe they don't insult czech very often (only somtimes call them 'pepiki'), but when they talk about germans or russians... well, you must listen a lot of bullshit about nazis, communists and 'history' from ~12 YO kids. In general they're idiots who should be permabanned. And it's not WoT-only problem, but in all popular MMOs like WoW or GW. I feel ashamed that I'm from the same country <_<.
    btw. those black humor jokes about jews are quite popular in poland. Yes, everyone says that they're poor taste, but noone says that they're antisemit. More like jokes about blonde women or germans/russians.

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    1. Well... I really don't mind black humor. Hell, I made bad Polish jokes too, mostly involving "siemka cheat" etc. - but you know, there is a line. When you say one thing, from the context it can be recognized whether it's just a stupid joke some friends share after 3rd beer, or something aimed to hurt.

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    2. To be honest I do not even visit Polish section of forum. From some accidental visits I know that it is full of kids and useless incorrect informations.

      Most probably all non-English parts of forum are dominated by kids and worse then English part.

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    3. Could be, but I don't really see it that way... for example the German section seems really civilised. There are a few asshats there too, but nothing so... I don't know... low.

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    4. During that Polish special, some people (I'm not sure, if it was the general or German forum) also had some hard words that really felt very inappropriate.
      As a German I always feel bad, when some people from my country just flame somebody (usually the Polish player that destroyed their tank) and when things get rough, I'm never above sending a ticket with screenshots.

      Snortsch

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    5. thats why I play on NA only. Americans are easy going and you know that most of the stuff said is humor and not insults like in Europe.

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  4. I myself sometimes joke about Siema, but not because i have something against the polish, i't just meant as a joke when you encounter one of those suicide scouting E-100s.

    It's pretty sad that so many people still are so hatefull and disrespectfull just because someone is from a different nationality.

    You could mean that the community could stop that "blah blah better race" crap since it's 2013 and not 1930...

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    1. We should start answering such "troll bates" with:
      It's so 1930...

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  5. Well dude, me and my friends have a very anti-Polish attitude when playing WoT. Could be because you see a good deal of utter morons (yes, I have XVM, i am to be murdered) yelling at the start of the game Siema/Siemka/Powodzenie. You all know them, you all had them in the game. It's our only problem with the Poles. Not saying they don't have good players, not saying that they are an inferior race, not saying we hate Poland, just that a great deal of the idiots in this game seem to be Polish. Or at least of the ones that yell out hello in any language at the start of the game.

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  6. What's czechs' problem with the polish?
    (is it some sort of historical stuff?)
    I'm just curious.

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  7. Uznej aspoň, že Poláci jsou nejhorší národ ve WoTku, co se týče skillu. To co tam ve většině případů někdy předváděj je naprosto příšerný a vypadá to, jak kdyby to hrál bot. Platí, že tým s více Poláky automaticky prohrál bitvu.

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    1. A stejne tak, ze polsky klany patrej k tem lepsim (mozna i nej) viz IEM.
      A pro tebe SS, jo ty lidi by za to vyjadrovani meli dostat ban, prinejmensim na forech, ale co nechapu proc tu spinu musis prekladat a predkladat ji tady vsem. Nevim co ti nektery lidi udelali tak spatnyho, ze to tady musis hazet na vsechny.

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    2. I'd prefer English here, thank you. To answer you: no, the Polish aren't the worst, they are just the most numerous. I don't think there is any worst nation in WoT (well, at least gameplay-wise). As for why did I write this article? Because after the events of last two weeks, I thought nothing would surprise me anymore (even though I do not generally visit the Czechoslovak section anymore, the CW thread is one of the few I sometimes follow). I was proven wrong yet again.

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    3. @ Anonymous

      Yes, Poles are worst skilled, hahahaha. This is why Polish team won last ESL tournament and 3/4 of EU teams in last Ural Steel were from Poland :)

      You can also check my stats, if you think that I make my teams weaker - http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/Dead_Skin_Mask I play only randoms and I was never platooned.

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  8. May I ask why some Czechs are like this? I mean as a Brit I'm not so well versed on the relations between central European countries as a lot of people here may be.

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    1. Maybe it's kinda historical, like GB and France :). But i'm Czech and I don't feel anything bas about Polish at all.

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    2. Well I was thinking along the lines of GB and France but then the worst that ever gets to is making French people out to be cheese eating surrender monkeys and French people thinking we're just American stooges.

      I have to say though these people need to be banned.

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    3. I don't think it has anything in common with traditional rivalry (as far as I know, there is none), it's a WoT thing. I think that if it was for example the - just randomly selecting - Bulgarians being the most numerous community, we'd see anti-bulgarian rants like this.

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    4. Frank - there is something in history...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

      But it is very childish to make conflicts from this (even it is childish to be "mad" at nowadays Germans for WW2).

      We should learn from history, not use it as reason to make new history :D

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    5. So basically, Poland has shifted west into Prussia, and Russia now has an enclave of Germany that used to be part of Poland? And I thought the Falkands were complicated...

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    6. @ Fattoler

      It is much more complicated and we would have to come back to beginning of XIII Century to explain all changes :).

      I will try to put it very short short. After almost 800 years of shifting eastward and later dissapearing Poland has now similar borders as in around AD 1200 with exceptions of lands which till XIII Century belonged to pagan Baltic tribes and were conquered by Teutonic Knights, which later became Polands vassals, then part of Prussian kingdom, then part of Germany Empire :) So huge part of those lands you called Prussia were in medieval times part Poland :) (to confuse you more I can add that some of those lands called Silesia, where I live, were for around 400 years part of Czech Kingdom :)

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    7. Another thing, a bit more fresh in memory, that Czechs can hold against us is our (meaning Polish) part in -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_spring

      JagdWehrwolf

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    8. @ Dead Skin Mask

      Thanks, I'm afraid my knowledge of Eastern Europe is pretty vague at best.

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    9. I am sad I can say this but I think the problem is not "historical misunderstanding", it is just stupidity. These kids dont give a sh*t neither about medieval history nor (even more sadly) about Prague spring. It is just "cool to hate".

      Sometimes it is really disapointing to be Czech.

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  9. This is very Balkan.... Actually surprised me a bit, on Balkans forum (theoretically forum with the greatest potential for flame-wars) there is very little trolling and if there is some moderators take care of it very quickly... Why do your moderators allow this?

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    1. Incompetence. There are two moderators: Idahou - one of "Czechout's friends", sometimes overzealous (bans for profanities, edits them out) and Jeykey. I criticized Jeykey heavily in the past (he's basically hostile towards Wargaming). To his credit, after this article was published (but most likely unrelated), Jeykey purged the thread of those posts.

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  10. Siemka! :)

    In every population there are black sheep. When I see on chat some anty-polish, anty-czech, anty-russian, anty-german texts I just think 'what idiots are saying it'.

    My motto is: "What you say says more about you then about the person you are talking about".

    (and of course... "Dignity... always dignity!" from "Singing in the rain")

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  11. I've sent a support ticket about CS-TP's deputy commander spamming inane comments in CW chat. We really need moderation there. In fact - what is that chat for, exactly?

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    1. Actually, Cnnk wrote those players were already punished in the game. I hope for nice juicy long bans.

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    2. Chat bans are the only right punishment for in-chat violations. Game bans should only be reserved for in-gameplay wrongdoings.
      I wouldn't like them to get banned, since competition on CW is already as small as it is in "mid tier" clans.

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  12. Let me just start by saying i rarely write on forums because as i say to my clan members when you post on a forum you are giving people a chance to have an opinion who shouldnt really have one, but as a person from northern ireland i get it what it is like to be brought up to hate your neighbours but like most its a religious thing and only the minority who really hate and get lost in things like this.
    wargaming in my opinion should act in some way when evidence like this is provided as its apparrent there is a crime and yes when you write views like that it is a crime.
    I know it would do no good but maybe a petition to stop all this bullshit wuld be an idea, I know wargaming so far in my experience dont seem to much to listen to players but this crossing a line.
    Some people forget this is a game and in being so its meant to be enjoyed. in our clan (Cry Havoc)we like to play clan wars but dont own land like many of the big clans its about the community in reality our players like to be there and although we like a joke and a good craic when someone steps over the line they are slapped down as we believe in respect, even our ex players who move to bigger clans for clan wars can be found on our ts because its good atmosphere and all about the community and anyone can witness this when we go to the tank fest in june for the weekend to meet up and get absolutely drunk and meet our friends form other clans

    ps
    great blog keep up the good work

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  13. besides from what i have heard from you, i knew nothing off all this hapening, so just a quick and small question (hope u dont think i am retarded) is this problem only in wot or also happening out in the streets?

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    1. Just in WoT as far as I can tell, but this behavior kinda happens in other MMO's too. I played Warcraft for a while on the (basically) Czechoslovak server - Drak'Thul EU. It was horrible.

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  14. yea Czechoslovakia has the worst community in all mmo i was playing
    and yes, i am czech too.

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  15. Not directly related to this ... but a couple of nights ago I was in a battle, and suddenly I had to leave my computer suddenly because my daughter woke up screaming (she is teething). I come back a few minutes later after she has settled back down and find my tank destroyed (as expected). I type into chat sorry that I had to leave and explain - and immediately get a small barrage of abuse from 2-3 players which mostly I care not to repeat - about the least offensive thing was being called a "paedophile faggot".

    There is definitely something about online gaming which brings out the worst in some people.

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    1. You did cardinal mistake - you apologized!

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    2. It is just that kids are raised badly these days, no manners at all. And the atmosphere in the whole world cheers you for doing what you want don't care about anyone else than yourself. These kind of things are not helping.

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  16. Idk, I am Czech, but I never play with other Czechs (unless RL friend) and I play and played a lot of games. But the rule of the thumb is to never play with other Czechs. Poles, Czechs, Russians and Slovaks have this strange ability to turn into dicks when in bigger numbers then two. I have played with these guys in international guilds (not Czechs, but a lot of Russians join international teams), clans and corporations, but I have never observed this behavior unless in pure national groups. There is no cure for this, you have to bear with it, you cannot win. Just my 5 cents.

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  17. WoT EU ... worst Community i have ever seen in My Gaming History ...

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    1. I see you have never played LoL... Thier EU community is just horrible.

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  18. This is quite entertaining

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  19. In polish forum, there is also a lot of hate, especial about Russian, however such Post are quick removed by moderators. Also I'm sure that users writing anti-semitic post would be immediately banned.

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    1. It is funny that people, no matter where they are from, will hate Jews as if they had done something wrong. I can understand why someone hates russians, for my part I don't see any reason why someone would actually like them, apart from individuals who are not like the rest of the mass.

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  20. The fact that one CZ clan is full "withoutbrains" does not mean that the whole community is the same. Slow down SS.

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  21. What exactly was the czechout incident?

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    1. Long story. You can find it in copies if you google hard enough. For me it's a closed deal, so please don't ask.

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  22. Well, I see a lot of similar from Polish community (I am Pole). Maybe not racist, or nationality-hate based, but well, to be honest, since WoT started to advertise everywhere, even in Polish TV, the average Pole mental level is ~11-13 year old hatekid (we've got a term for that - "Dzieciak neostrady" ("neokid"), when "neostrada" was one of most popular internet connections bought mostly by parents to below 18 kids, to make them have some activity). Well, the examples of my games where I was killed by some frustrated kid, which took my words offensive (f.e. t5 TD platooned with t4 scout got in t8 battle, with me in my KT, he started to whine on the MM, I replied "what do you expect when you platoon with t4 scout" (of course in Polish all), and after that he started to shoot me, so I had to turn my tank (to avoid damage), and kill him, which resulted in my fast death, since I became visible to enemies.)...

    Personally I find PL community much worse...
    Also I don't find hatred toward communism offensive, since they are as bad as nazis, and WG is like glorifying them...

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    1. True that about communism. It is comparable to nazism.

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  23. lol Silent you're pathetic :). Another post deleted and again .. no reason, no explanation.

    Keep up "god work" :) :) :)
    Communist methods of work, apparently.

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    1. Oh, I am going to leave this here alright, just to post an answer.

      Yes, I am deleting comments from people I don't want here. As simple as that. Any further comments from you will be deleted also. This is my blog, not a public forum, you have no "right" to post comments here, so save the "omg communists" speech. I have several times said quite clearly Czechoslovak community filth (and by that I don't mean every Czechoslovak player, you know very well who I have in mind) is not welcomed here. I am not trying to stir up a conflict - if I did, I'd bring out much uglier skeletons in the closet (I'll give you a hint: last summer). If you people continue behaving like you do, the world will know. Might not be fair, but it's the way it is.

      If you REALLY want peace, I expect the comment above this one will be the last. from you.

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    2. Ok, now I'm curious

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  24. Holy shit...what is happening in the EU server?

    Why is WG turning a blind eye to this madness? Where are the mods?

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  25. I think it may be more the wot thing then nationality - starting from "siemka figters" through the clan wars situation and animosities between czech clans (the most passionate hatred will be always reserved for your own countrymen).

    from what I know czech clans hate each other much more then polish clans and polish clans are very important on CW forcing any clan to choose between "with them" or "against them".

    So in that case cNNk called collaborant could be a result of hatred towards him as much as a dislike for poles...

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  26. Ty si taková nehorázná svině až to boli, sám ses toho dřív účastnil a teď tady brecis jak jsme nejhorší komunita ve hře je mi z tebe zlé

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    1. Problém? :) Mně je zle zase z vás. Vždycky bylo, jen jsem Čechy toleroval, protože mne bavilo překládat a protože tam bylo pár lidí, se kterými se dalo pokecat. Zajímavé je, že od doby, co jsem z žumpy vylezl, nemám konflikty s nikým a všechno je v pohodě. Takže to možná fakt nebude v tom zlém ošklivém Silentstalkerovi, ale ve vás.

      PS: zrovna teď jsem nahlédl do sekce a co nevidím, zas nějaký kripl chce žalovat Wargaming? Češi....

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  27. Hello, you self-righteous fuck.

    I'm going to clarify a few things for you, since you are obviously lacking the brain capacity needed to understand basic facts of life.

    1. Poles are a bunch of inbred, nationalistic, self-centered pigs, living in the medieval ages, thinking they're the center of the world. They still haven't abandoned digrams (you know, like we did, some 500 years ago), 90 % of them are devout Christians ("hurr durr I believe in an imaginary guy thought up by some sand niggers in the bronze age"), and they're completely pointless - have you heard about the last great thing coming out of Poland? Yeah, me neither. All the anti-Polish sentiment is completely justified by them being absolutely irrelevant.

    2. They fucking hate you. They hate the Czech Republic, they hate Germany, they hate Russia (but honestly, who doesn't), they hate Slovakia (same as Russia, though), they hate everybody. Why? Because their small nationalistic brains are telling them that, even though their country sucks big hairy balls, they're the best. The only time I hear Poles say something nice about the Czech Republic is when they come here to occupy our concerts and festivals (because, obviously, no bands ever come to Poland, since it's just a waste of time), waving their fucking flags, and getting drunk as fuck, like the under-developed monkeys they really are. Other than that, all I ever hear is how much this place sucks and how "Polska" is better in all aspects. So stop defending them, they wouldn't do the same for you.

    3. Do you have any sense of hyperbole at all? Can you wrap your head around the concept of dark humour, sarcasm, and similar things? Apparently not, seen as you are a butthurt little kid, crying about "jokes in bad taste". Fuck you. Fuck political correctness. I can say whatever the fuck I damn well please, and all you can do is shut the fuck up and get over it. Stop caring about what somebody else says, it's none of your goddamn business. Unless they actually go to Poland and wipe them out (I wish), there is nothing wrong with them talking about whatever they want to talk about, in whatever manner they like. PEOPLE CAN SAY ANYTHING THEY WANT. IT'S CALLED "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" YOU CUNTFACE. You and people like you are the reason freedom of speech is being limited to politically correct bullshit like "the n-word" instead of NIGGER, and "special" instead of RETARDED. You are contributing to the demise of free speech as we know it, congratulations, you special guy.

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    1. 4. Nobody gives a flying fuck about the Polish Independence holiday bullshit and the event. Why can't people voice their opinion on that? It's fucking ridiculous. Why should a country like this get their own event, while other countries don't? Just because their nationalistic cunts would rot if they didn't have it? Fuck them.

      5. You're exactly the reason why Poles and Slovaks keep spewing hate towards us. It's not that people hate them here, so they hate us back. No. It's people like you, who gladly ignore them hating us, you just like being assfucked by other nations (that's a Czech specialty), so you let them do whatever they want, but the moment a Czech person voices their discontent with them, you spring into action and start your butthurt rants. This is exactly the reason why they keep coming here to study and work (because their countries fucking suck and it's better here), but they still keep complaining and insulting us - people like you are letting them.

      6. Anyway, your self-entitled, kiddish brain is probably too retarded to comprehend any of this, so you'll just respond with some stupid shit about how I'm exactly what you're talking about and how we are the problem. To that I say, congratulations in advance on not being able to understand written language, dickwad.

      Oh, and you're deleting disagreeing comments, I see. Go ahead, delete this one too, enough people have read it already, prove me right so they can see what a fucking communist you are, censoring what you don't like to hear.

      Bitch.

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    2. Being Christian is the main reason why I don't want to kick your butt.
      Hate Germany and Russia? Not exactly, but I remember what happend in '39 as well as 45 years of soviet occupancy, so don't expect me to love them. I guess that from your point of view Poland is also an invader because of what happend in '68. But as the rest of the Warsow Pact we were made to do this by Soviets, and trust me, we still regret that intervention.

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    3. There any big bridge in CZ? Maybe a little jump from one of them will not be a bad idea i think...

      AA

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  28. I have read all the comments...
    Well i come from French community all i can say is: There are big brainless kid here too. Without speaking of anti German and Italian feeling express.

    But I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time i see this. And he wont be the last sadly. I remember in beta... none of this happen. This is just proving Einstein was true human stupidity is the only thing who hasn't limits. Wait... maybe WG stupidity is above their player base, but for that i'm not pretty sure

    In any case thank you silent for your work.

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