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Jun 1, 2013

0.8.6 SuperPershing nerf

Thanks to lonefur for this one.

"We don't nerf premium tanks" - yea, right. Superpershing recieved a visually substantial nerf in frontal hull armor. See for yourself:



On the paper, the armor remains officially the same, but gamemodels3d show us that the frontal spaced armor got nerfed by cca 25mm - plus the armor angle is less steep, which means less bounces.

97 comments:

  1. I cant say, I dont like that.
    Really something I look forward too.
    Still, not fair.

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    1. I'd be more worried if they were reducing the thickness of the spaced armor.

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    2. Those corners are known weakspots, now they don't show as much.

      This is a secret buff~ :p

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  2. thats its fuck this game im out

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    1. Ok, see you next week ;)

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    2. I can haz yer super pershing?

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    3. stay mad wallet warrior, good riddance

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    4. really? Its wallet warriors that pay for scrub tramps like you to play.....

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  3. OMFG... really ?! This god damn frontal armor makes this Tank what it is.. and I wanted to buy it today... oh god.. no no no..

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    1. lol i also wont to buy it as a birthday present... but now no thx!

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    2. This tank sucked anyway.

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  4. like accuracy buff wasn't enough ;]

    Ant.

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  5. It's not like the superpershing wasn't a terrible tank before it anyway...

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  6. what a fucking morons i paid for this tank and now its going to be nerfed... yeah remove space armor at all and give better engine...

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    1. That would make it a Pershing with 10 less penetration

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  7. That new model is actually more historically accurate (the hull itself was less sloped than the spaced armour, that's why it's mounted on rods and not directly welded on). But then again, the gun is utterly neutered, it was on par with the long 88 (it's an L/74 barrel, ffs).

    Buff its pene/accuracy (~ 200mm/0.34) and nerf the RoF a bit, and I won't mind the reduced armour. But we all know that's not gonna happen.

    -Platypusbill

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    1. Who gives a flying fuck about this "historical accuracy" bullcrap? Every 2nd tank in this game is NOT historically accurate! This is only a bloody lame excuse for WG.net buffing, but mostly nerfing tanks around every way they want to. Do you want to tell me that e.g. putting the transmission in front of German tanks is "historically accurate"? I cannot hear this bullshit anymore the arrogant pricks at WG.net are feeding us with every time they are making some of their ridiculous, feeble minded game changes. There are so many "historically inaccurate" things in this game that if the WoT game designers would get a punch in the face every time they start this "historical accuracy" blabber, they had no faces anymore.

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    2. But the transmission of German tanks were mostly in the front.... notably on the tanks in game that do have frontal transmissions.

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  8. It's still an insane slope and it'll still bounce practically everything >_>
    Poor anons who want to quit the game, get a grip on yourselves

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    1. Did you played it on the new test ? ( 8.6 ) I played it and SP sux. Every shot on your frontal armor penetrates you.

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    2. The test server? Where everyone is shooting 100% gold and hardly anyone plays low tiers?

      The test server is at best a poor testing ground for how anything will perform on the real server.

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    3. I have the S.P. and it's a real piece of crap. No mobility, pethetic gun, before it had 'meh' armor and now I don't even want to now. Really bad tank, the only thing it could save it is a new engine.

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    4. I currently have 908 average XP in it, with 1,7k dmg. It is not that bad, as u make it.
      But it is not really versatile - go in the face of the enemy is the only tactic viable. At least if u want to actually hit the enemy and not the ground, trees, houses, bushes, water or the sun.

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    5. Honestly this guy is right, the SP still bounces shots from most all t9 tanks that arent using HEAT/APCR.

      This patch wont change the fact that everyone aims for the cupola anyway...

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    6. http://imgbin.org/images/13891.jpg

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    7. And more to the point, heat ammo now will lose more penetration when it hit spaced armor, so even if they lower the armor, it can still (maybe) hold premium tier 8 shots.

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    8. Type 59 AP right trough the front hull? WTH?!?

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  9. Everyone should keep in mind pen got nerfed and HEAT rounds got a big nerf vs. spaced armor, so I doubt tanks will be cutting through the SP's front armor much better than pre-patch.

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    1. No need for HEAT anymore. 200-225 pen guns pen it pretty reliably now.

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    2. 200-225 went through the front before anyway. JPII, Ferdi, and KT 10.5 reliably pens the lower glacis, T34 and IS-3 punch through the upper glacis like nobody's business. Angle and use the invinci-mantle.

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    3. "200-225 went through the front before anyway. JPII, Ferdi, and KT 10.5 reliably pens the lower glacis, T34 and IS-3 punch through the upper glacis like nobody's business. Angle and use the invinci-mantle."

      thats not true!
      without gold u cant pen it!

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    4. Everybody just nails the cupola through the decal tubes anyway. Trolling E3s and E4s with mantle non-pens will continue as normal.

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    5. ACUTALLY 8.6 is a huge NERF for the SP.
      They nerfed the spaced armor, that HEAT shells will pen it more easily.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmEp8ouP7s
      Watch it from 4:05

      WG first nerfed the pen for the SP now the armor, this tank will be useless.

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    6. "without gold u cant pen it!" My centurion mark 1 disagrees.

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  10. Now I might aswell sell it..

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  11. FUCK this SP nerf..

    tank suck already.. hull armor is weak already.. and now MORE...

    FUCK U WG FUCK U and whos doing this..

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    1. I have a feeling that those guys are all the same

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    2. I personally consider this more a buff to it. the hull corners are better hidden now.

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  12. No, the super pershing did not suffer a reduction to its spaced armour. It's spaced armour is identical to what it was. The only thing that changed on the 8.6 front in gamemodels, from some reason a 0mm spaced armour component is displayed.

    0.8.5
    http://i.imgur.com/wf31M5K.png


    0.8.6
    http://i.imgur.com/uKBtRm9.png

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    1. As for the rest of the tank, the armour values remain the same. Indeed the new armour model is actually historically correct.

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    2. Well, they changed the slope, wouldn't that makes the armor weaker?

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    3. Allow me to quote: "spaced armor that is close to the hull will have almost NO effect, like the SUPERPERSHING'S SPACED armor."

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmEp8ouP7s
      Watch it from 4:05

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    4. Thats not what i meant ( but good to know though ). They changes/nerf made the frontal armor slope less, so doesn't this reduces the overall frontal armor? Shouldn't this just make it easier to penetrate with AP?
      ...

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    5. Angle increases the effective armour, so by lowering the angle you NERF THE TANK dumass.

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  13. I'm willing to bet this will be like the tested E-50 depression nerf, where nothing actually happens once the patch goes live.

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  14. LoL, Weakest tier 8 prem gets a nerf, im only laughing because i knew it was bad and thus never got it.

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  15. I personally would not consider making a tank historical as "a nerf".

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    1. Making a tank weaker is a nerf, regardless of the justification. And it's still not fully accurate- instead of having two 38mm spaced armour plates, it has only one, with the sections of hull with double overlap being thickened by 38mm- and the hull has less slope than the extra plating. Not to mention the massively gimped long 90. -Platypusbill

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    2. Tread lightly with the use of the word 'Historical'. WG's use of the word for the following means:
      In reference to ussr and chinese armour means buff and not OP.
      In reference to all other armour means nerf and erradicate usefulness.

      Where is the historical gun for this tank. Records indicate it was a little bit more powerful than the current pea shooter it has.

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  16. I'd appreciate it if anyone ran an armour test on the 8.6 SP. WoT Armory style.

    -Platypusbill

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  17. SS learn the difference between nerf and buff. More distance in spaced armour is a buff and not a nerf! ....

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    1. But in case of AP shells it isn't

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    2. Spacing of armor means fuck all in the server penetration calculations.

      When the new HEAT round ballistics come out in 8.6 sure it may make a difference, but with just normal AP or HVAP rounds, they will now go through MUCH easier.

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  18. Guys for the last time they nerfed the SP.

    The WG producer said himself, that its armor lose its effectiveness in 8.6.

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  19. My only prem tank that makes me cr those fuckwits why in gods name why

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  20. That's what you get for trusting Wargaming with your money! 19 slots, 3 premium tanks, 2200 gold left and not a single cent spent on this game.

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  21. You sure its actually a nerf. Looks like the tank armor was increased to counter the change to the plate.

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  22. glad i havent bought this POS yet. keeping my gold for 112.

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  23. Looks like the SPACE in spaced armor is roughly the same, it's just the angle that changes... I bet that shit will still bounce tier 8 and 9 shots

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    1. Some Russian guy from WG said, that the SP wont absorb the HEAT shells as it used to, because there are not much space between the hull armor and the additional armor. Only high tier tanks like E-100 and Maus benefit from this because they have larger space between the inner and outer armor.

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  24. Couldn't care less, with new sniping abilities in 8.6 everyone with a brain will just relentlessly destroy the hatch and side of turret.

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  25. SP is the weakest tier 8 premiumtank but they nerf it? wtf, are they drunk all day or what ??

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  26. It has been said that no tank round can penetrate the upper frontal hull of the SP, where the spaced plates are, so whats the bother? Everyone shoots the upper turret anyways.

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    1. WTF are you smoking? Tier ISU-152 AP goes trough UFP 80% of the time at least on 0.8.5. Do you even own SP? Oh,right.
      The bother is that everyone with 225+ penetration will be able to just kill SP right trough the front hull. No need to BOTHER with the weakspot.
      And yes everyone shoots the weakspot only now they will be able to do so more reliably because of the accuracy buff.
      SP armour went from hero to zero is what bothers me, and the rest of the tank is crap.

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  27. Also the addon plates and the mantle appear slightly darker pink, wich means more armor.

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    1. For some reason, the added a 0mm group of spaced armour for the tank, taking the place of what was the front spaced armour (38mm), and pushing the colour of the spaced armour to be slightly darker. Overall, the armour is identical.

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  28. You guys are over reacting just a bit too much.

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    1. 2nd Anniversary Birthday Card Contest whine was a bit too much(whining about not getting a tank out of the contest).
      I bought SP for cash and now is getting nerfed armour AND MM(tier IX arty will rape it) and everyone is getting a buff to accuracy(so more hits to the weakspot). The reaction is rather UNDERWHELMING IMO.

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  29. lol i like point that even before this nerf they nerfed the lowe

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  30. It's no real nerf, calm down. Maybe more guns will pen the front but that doesn't mean this shells will do damage because it's still spaced armor. And everyone "pens" the front of SP actually in 8.5 already but doesn't do any damage.

    SP is made for newbies who rush straight to the enemy. Because of the spaced armor this noobs can survive a little bit longer and "enjoy" the game more then 2-3mins per round. No serious player would play the SP... wait... no serious player would play WoT seriously. Hope you get my point ;)

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    1. armor of SP is made for people with brain who can use it against noobs and earn money by killing them:P its a good tank but u have to play like heavy thats all and only t9 its a problem for u

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  31. Guy who made the bottom .gif here. The spaced armor's actually the same thickness IIRC. The big issue is the loss of slope - I'm measuring something like a 14 degree loss on the hull.

    THERE IS NO WAY REDUCED NORMALIZATION MAKES UP FOR THAT.

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  32. I guess that next time they'll either remove its tracks or gun in order to force us and buy something else, right? It was already the worst tier 8 premium, since it's the less expensive, but they had to make it even worse, nice marketing strategy WG.

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  33. Wow people sure as hell don't know how to play the SP.

    Still worth its weight in cash if you arent stupid enough to believe people won't just pen your front. Ever since gold rounds for credits came out, only an idiot SP driver would rely on its hull armor completely.

    Hull down, mantlet, use gold rounds, spaced armor turret, mid range fight. GG

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    1. Balancing with gold rounds and stupid enemy players works, right?
      Anyone with a working cerebellum can gut SP open like a fish.

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  34. so many people ignoring one thing, its the fucking TEST server, god damn

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    1. Because test server changes don't reflect what will end up on the live server right? HURRRRR UR SMART

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  35. I now do understand why Russian players insult game developers....

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  36. now the Hull is the same as it is on the M26.

    The T26E4 had a front hull that was more like the T29s, the angle was wrong and now they fixed it, every one is now bitching...

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    1. They're bitching because that change crippled its armor. Its armor - the only strongpoint the tank had - is now 30% less effective. HEAT changes? Would take 60cm of space between the spaced armor and hull to make up for that (hunt: there's not that much room). APCR? Normalization dropped by three but the Super Pershing lost 10 degrees at least.

      It is a huge nerf and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

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    2. "The T26E4 had a front hull that was more like the T29s, the angle was wrong and now they fixed it, every one is now bitching..."

      How about the fix the cannon to historic values? No? STFU

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  37. the spaced armour in mantlet looks like buffed (the ping color is darker in 8.6)

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    1. Naw, sadly. It just go the color changed in the armor viewer. It's actually the same thickness.

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  38. Why nerf an underperforming Non german tank???????

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  39. Every fucking asshole is using prem ammo on SPs when they are too dumb to pen it at its weak spots anyway, and now it got nerfed so that the "casual" (let's rather call them what they are: noob) players can handle it easier? OMG, those butt hurt brainless retards from WG.net did it again. I bought something for good money, being promised a certain performance, and then it gets degraded with every fucking patch by those Belorussian FRAUDSTERS (because that is what this scum really is). Had it with the T34 and Löwe already (don't tell me their accuracy did not get nerfed with every single patch since 0.8.0). I wish someone would pay these bastards a visit with a baseball club.

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    1. Cant agree with you more there. Hope you dont have a stockpile of HEAT shells that you paid for with gold, it appears as though they are not reimbursing gold after they remove your purchased ammo from you stash.
      Atleast i will never need to use the pershing again after they nerf it. They are reimbursing players with credits apperently.

      How nice of them to piss on their paying customer base again.

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  40. Only_Slightly_BentJun 2, 2013, 12:12:00 PM

    Nah, the only people they're pissing off is a bunch of whining children who seem to think that the universe revolves around them...

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    1. I see that you did not pay to buy SP. You do not even own it in fact.

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    2. Only_Slightly_BentJun 2, 2013, 7:16:00 PM

      400+ battles in mine actually

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    3. Only_Slightly_BentJun 2, 2013, 7:18:00 PM

      442 to be precise

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  41. Good, i hated it's invincible armour at the bottom. good change! now buff the tortoise armour back up to 228 all around and 152 at the back. -OZh

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    1. Let me guess: you own Tortoise and you SOMEHOW dinged off SP hull front armour?
      Go play Fruit Ninja, no penetration problems there.

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  42. Take note to skinners:

    AMX 50B filenames have changed:

    8.5 --> 8.6
    AMX_50_68t.dds --> AMX_50B.dds
    AMX_50_68t_crash.dds --> AMX_50B_crash.dds
    AMX_50_68t_NM.dds --> AMX_50B_NM.dds
    AMX_50_68t_SM.dds --> AMX_50B_SM.dds
    AMX_50_68t_CM.dds --> AMX_50_68t_CM (no change)

    There is no change to the mesh layout and you can still use the same skins for the 50B.

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  43. I'll keep it until after the rebalancing patch, if I dont like it i'll just get a 112 to replace. My 110 crew needs to get trained faster....

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  44. Its simple...Sell SP for 7200 gold, buy 5500 gold for 19.55 euros, buy T34 and hit without aiming at weak spots because the weapon has 999 penetration.Problem solved for me.

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  45. Lol finnally because i see a IS8, IS-8!!! shot 3 times to a Super in frontal and all shots 0 dmg, lol equal to a T32, only premiun shells, luck to hit the little weak points or Tier 9 to 10 make a good dmg to frontal armor in that tank considering to is a Mediun lol.

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