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May 22, 2013

0.8.6 - Storm on arty rebalance

Source: http://world-of-kwg.livejournal.com/197291.html

Well, I translated the whole thing, only to notice WG did it by themselves. *sigh* Oh well, at least the EU people aren't sitting on their asses and jerking each other off as usual. The english version can be found here.

Here are a few points Storm answered in discussion:

- the visibility range system will stay as it is now
- if you have a spall liner installed and it gets changed to another type (Jagdpanzer E-100 case for example, that one will get the superheavy one), the old one will be uninstalled and the new one will be put into your depot
- the reason for the spall liner buff is that big heavy tanks make fat targets for arty
- more info will come on friday
- tracks act as spaced armor against HEAT in the following way: let's say a vehicle has 40cm thick tracks, which are 10cm away from the hull. In this case, if a HEAT shell impacts on the tracks, it will lose 5 percent of penetration for each 10cm from the point of detonation, plus the amount of penetration for the tracks armor value, eg. in this case, 5*(50/10)+25 percent from tracks armor value
- armor screens modules for tanks will not come anytime soon

The new spall liners will work like this:

Let's say a 1800 damage arty hit impacts on your 100mm of armor and doesn't penetrate. In the old system, you will get (when you have a spall liner):

Old: 1800/2 (half damage for nonpen) - 100*1,3*1,15 = 750dam
New: 1800/2 - 100*1,3*1,3 = 731dam

However, for small caliber artillery (BatChat), when you are using a heavily armored vehicle (200mm armor let's say), it's more effective (than if you don't use it at all that is):

Old: 1250/2-200*1,3 = 365 dam
New: 1250/2-200*1,3*1,3 = 287 dam

- spall liner doesn't work at all for penetrating arty hits tho
- test won't come this week
- tier 10 tanks don't have XP negative modifiers
- there will be apparently a video made on the 8.6 mechanics changes before the 8.6 goes live
- Löwe won't get a buff
- 0.8.6 won't come before 3rd June
- 152mm HEAT shells on KV-2 were removed, because they weren't historical
- E-100 with the current gun is apparently not historical either
- the mortar guns got only shell velocity nerf, their trajectory remained the same
- KV-1S won't lose its 122mm, statistically it's doing fine
- the arty reload nerf is connected with the transfer of the arties to their new levels
- stocks of shells, that are removed, will be sold for full credit price when 0.8.6 goes live, if you bought 152mm HEAT shells for gold, you'll get their credit price back

90 comments:

  1. "152mm shells on KV-2 were removed, because they weren't historical" - so it took WG only 2 years to realise that fact? rotfl

    spall liners were useless and will remain useless - what a surprise

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    1. erm, what does it means? KV-2 is loosing it's troll cannon or what?

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    2. They mean HEAT here. They are replacing it with premium AP. SS probably accidently a word here.

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    3. It will lose HEAT shells for troll cannon.

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  2. So, the KV2 will lose its concrete thrower? And the E100 will maybe get new gun?

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    1. Did the Kv2 fired sub calibers with its 152mm howitzer?

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    2. I suppose they gonna remove the 15cm E-100 gun, without getting a new gun -.-

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    3. *without getting a new gun the E-100 is useless then -.-

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    4. I "wikipediaed" it. The KV2 had an 152mm howitzer and it fired 152mm shells. -.- How da hell isn't that unhistorical?
      Maybe the sehlls itself, maybe it fired that caliber but different shells. :/

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    5. @2nd post- it won't get APCR, but some other type of (full caliber) AP. @3rd post- the E-100 never had a turret or gun mounted anyway (just the chassis was done), but the 15cm was one of the proposals. -Platypusbill

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    6. give Jagdtigers gun to E100 pleeeeaaaase

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    7. I guess the KV2 will lose its 152mm HEAT Shells. Maybe Silenstalker only forgot the "HEAT" in the Text...
      The 152mm Howitzer is historical. I don´t think that they gonna remove it.

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    8. The 206mm pene HEAT shells (hilariously overpowered in city maps) get replaced by 136mm pene AP. -Platypusbill

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    9. Thank Platypusbill, for clarifying. :)

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    10. I bet WG found E-100 blueprints proving that it was meant to use short 88mm cannon from tiger! ;p

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    11. Wouldnt't surprise me.

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  3. They're planning to change shell normalization AGAIN?
    -kunjuro

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    1. yep. Subcaliber shells will normalize for -2 degrees only. Basically this patch will bee GIANT nerf for premium shells.

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  4. ok, so i dont understand, test isnt comming before 3rd june, or official release of 8.6?

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  5. I have a qustion because my english is as bad as hell, what is a spall liner? :D

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    1. Equipment that absorbs HE and ramming damage.

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  6. by the looks of things it's only the 152mm HEAT shells, the kv-2 will keep its troll cannon

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  7. Bought the KV-2 just a few days ago as fun tank, but didn't like it anyway, so I will sell it. But the E-100? Does that remark about its gun mean it will lose the second gun? If so, and if they don't offer a worthy replacement for it, my E-100 will be a waste of a garage place in the future.

    WG.net and their historical accuracy bullcrap again. These people must be severely brain damaged.

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    1. /sarcasm:they should remove whole turret from e100 because irl it did not have one./sarcasm off

      Serb just pointed out that HEAT shells are ahistorical for kv-2 and e100, BUT they will remove them from kv-2 ONLY. BTW strange thing that HEAT shells are completely HISTORICAL(was developed for t7 derivate gun) for t30 but they decided to give it subcaliber(which along with standard AP was never developed for t7 gun) shells instead.

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    2. Dude above me, read again man.E-100 has an unhistorical gun, not HeaT sheels...

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  8. "0.8.6 won't come before 3rd June"

    This is the test server, or the normal?

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    1. Thanks. I hope it will come ASAP.

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  9. - 0.8.6 won't come before 3rd June

    is that for test or for the public version? O.o

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  10. Hey WG, if you want historical accuracy, why not go join the army?

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    1. This is not WG site, asking WG anything in here is pointless.

      God, no wonder SS wants to retire when I see such comments...

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    2. And you're a retard for taking my comment seriously.

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    3. Your comment had no sense. What history had to do with army? Right SerB quote are - "Want realism - join the army". WG haters fail even in anonymous posting.

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    4. Then let me (not the sam Anon) reprharse it: WG, want to know historical accuracy? Take a course in the army(not the russian).

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    5. Your sentence still lacks sense. History have nothing to do with army.

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    6. And nobody likes know-it-alls :D

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    7. "History have nothing to do with army."

      Wow. It's been a long time since I heard something as retarded as that.

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  11. WTF?
    E-100 had two guns planned: 128mm L/55 and 15cm L/38-40.

    WG staff should stop drinking during working hours.

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    1. drinking during working hours is historically accurate.

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    2. Nope, it's for the balance :D
      Kesky - EU

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    3. LEARN TO READ BEFORE POSTING BULL.
      1. he talked about HEAT shells, not gun.
      2. he just pointed out that HEAT shells are ahistorical for kv-2 AND e100, BUT they will remove them from kv-2 ONLY.

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    4. Or if it's not for balance, then it's historical!

      sarcasm off

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    5. Attention! Ragekid attack!

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    6. 08:34 anon. moron

      You should learn to read instead of Zarax.
      What's so hard to understand from this sentence:
      E-100 WITH THE CURRENT GUN is apparently not historical either.

      Wtf is so hard to understand?

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  12. So spall liner is as useless as it was before. Way to go, Wargaming geniuses. Sloped armor tanks get stronger while flat armored tanks don't. Way to go, Wargaming geniuses. Reduce penetration a hair on some guns, but increase the minimum penetration by 5%. Way to go, Wargaming geniuses. increase accuracy a hair for accurate guns, a huge amount for inaccurate guns. Way to go, wargaming geniuses.

    Farking morons all. Buffs all the wrong tanks. Maus, JPE will still be turdmobiles, everything else gets more deadly.

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    1. They thing YOU need to read in ptachnotes is " Increase of 50% on braincells for noobs"

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    2. They are "turdmobiles" only when some brainless turd driving them.

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    3. Everyone knows the e100 isn't sloped and it is impossible to manually angle your tank or reduce the angle on an enemies tank by repositioning.

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  13. Got this from the actual post, and uumm.

    "First, in addition to changes in distribution when calculating accuracy, the distribution will change in the calculation of damage and armor penetration as well. Currently, the calculations use a normal distribution which is cut to 2 sigma."

    Wasn't it said the penetration and damage spread was linear?

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    1. WG loves lying. Penetration/damage being linear is just another one of their lies that now got debunked.

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  14. >- KV-1S won't lose its 122mm, statistically it's doing fine

    hahah good joke

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    1. It's plausible, just look at the horrible waves of 35-45% WR players.
      Never believe to stats.

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    2. thats exactly why I am laughing, it was the same with KV, Su85, etc.

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    3. Statistically me and my dog we have 3 legs...

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    4. You need a buff.
      Except if you are a german. Then you need a nerf.

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    5. Other nations got nerfed too. Stop whining.

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    6. "Statistically me and my dog we have 3 legs... "
      This is what I was talking of! :D

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    8. And some silly guys are still begging to buff the KV-1S (rofl!) and to bring back the old Tier V KV with the 107 mm and 152 mm guns.

      "Statistically me and my dog we have 3 legs... "
      Anon, you have just made my day :) I would like to use this as a signature :D

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  15. So, e-100 is getting its gun removed? is that confirmed? or its just not historical but they will leave it as it is for the sake of balance?

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    1. they will remove its turret complettely, e100 will be new tier 10 german light tank. Seriously.

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    2. Wrong. They found blueprints which indicate it was a prototype spaceship.

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    3. also wrong, it will be medium asian penis from new japan tree ~9 cm without circumcising

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  16. "Old: 1800/2 (half damage for nonpen) - 100*1,3*1,15 = 750dam
    New: 1800/2 - 100*1,3*1,3 = 731dam"

    Do we actually know this coefficient is 1,3? It used to be, but then it was lowered to buff HE damage a little (some time after change to HE mechanics). I don't remember exact value ever being disclosed. WoT Wiki contains 1,1, but that was just Snib's educated guess.

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    1. That's a new thing - Storm-confirmed in comments.

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  17. - E-100 with the current gun is apparently not historical either

    WTF? they now add completely made up guns? how fucked up is that?

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    1. another case of "i cant read properly so i would comment shit". And about guns...GOOD MORNING SLOPOKE i think you will want to try find info on some high level german and us guns.

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    2. many many gun designs were available for the tank and many were proposed with different levels of seriousness. That said this is WoT where L/100 guns exist. I suggest you, first anon, cool it. I think a 128mm is logical. One has to remember that this was 1944-45 and making new gun designs from scratch and building them is a time consuming process. Taking something off the shelf and modifying it, as little as possible, to make it work is a lot easier. And before you complain about not having a 15cm gun... you might look up how much shells weigh because they were anything but a "light weight". Which means longer reload times and less ammo the bigger the shell. 128mm is also a two piece with one shell side and 3 different powder charges.

      I guess I am saying be careful what you wish for. Bigger is not always better.

      NEMO.

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    3. Anon 09:38

      You're the same idiot that posted above at 08:34 too eh?...

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    4. Yes, it's the same anon ragekid.
      The same one who earlier had been raging because he had to face the truth about his little KV.

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  18. In order to increase the importance of vehicles’ armour on gameplay, we have decided to take the following set of measures:

    The normalization of all armor-piercing shells was reduced down to 2 degrees (from the current 5).

    One question i have now.... IS-7 armor will benefit from this or get nerfed?

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    1. OH GOD... of course is-7 will benefit from that, ALL vehicles ingame will benefit from that.

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    2. IS7 becomes impenetrable from the front due to tier 10 pen nerf, and E-75's cannot penetrate each other's LFP.

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    3. Lower glacis of is-7 can be penned even with 10,5 L68(no prems)and for E-75s it depends on angle but direct frontal shot on flat ground should go in aswell(unless bad rng)

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  19. Wait for 50% Premium Shell offer --> Buy 152 KV-2 HEAT AMMO --> Profit? :D

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    1. No, the gold rounds will be sold back at cash price... so you'll essentially be converting your gold into silver.

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    2. There will be no sales for ammo until patch goes live, there is already ammunition price changes, thus making extra like last time won't be available.

      They have learned...

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    3. Turbo10k, you do know about bying the ammo for silver in half price and having them sold for full price goes 100% direct profit... who buys them for gold anyhow nowadays?

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  20. Gugushev:

    Actually the translation is incorrect. This is the original text by Storm(Mihail Jivets) in russian:Уменьшение нормализации всех подкалиберных снарядов. What it means is: Reducing normalisation for all APCR shells. подкалиберны = APCR. Here is the original text in russian: http://world-of-kwg....com/197291.html
    Storm says in the comments below that normal AP shells won't be touched.
    So WG will nerf only APCR.

    Any comment on this particular?

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  21. - KV-1S won't lose its 122mm, statistically it's doing fine

    Seen alot of German tanks nerfed over the past few months but never Soviets. Russian bias

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  22. Wasnt there a 15cm L46 planned for E-100?

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    1. Yes. Although no E-100 was ever complete I understand the a longer 15cm gun was planned (L/46 would be 6.9 metre instead of the in game L/38 which is 5.6 metre barrel length) so correct, historically the E-100 should have a gun that would have BETTER penetration (+shell velocity) and accuracy, NOT less.

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  23. WG seem to do a lot to make/change things for Historical Accuracy just like the UK Heavy FV215b! WG say its Historically Accurate so it is! In their eyes only obviously!

    Oh well History is only created by those bothered to put it down in writing, and can be changed by a single stroke of the pen!

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  24. '- KV-1S won't lose its 122mm, statistically it's doing fine'

    Yeah so fine that its W/R is usually 5% above the player W/R LOL

    Joke of a tank, one of the few in the game that performs much better than player W/Rs and yet it has never, and probably will never, get nerfed because its Russian.

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  25. So historical accurate huh? Than why have the KV1s the 122mm gun, or the 85mm one? The KV1s had only 76mm HISTORICALLY! Ok there was the KV 85, and even the KV 122 existed (it was a test vehickle if i remember that correctly, with the 122mm A19 cannon, witch is somehow called D2-5T in game... Or something like that...) And even if the devs want the KV1s become the KV 122 when fully upgraded, than make the accurate model of it! (I mean the turret ring was mutch bigger on the hull-just look it up! Search for a picture with a KV1s on it, than another one with a KV85-and compere the area under the turrets, then come back, and lets talk about historical accuraty...)
    Sorry, i know the devs wont see this comment, but i cant hold it back...

    Have a nice day!
    Hrot

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    1. Ahem, if you're looking for historical issues then I would first whine about the 2nd turret of the Chaffee or the mess that they made with the T95. Historical accuracy is something they use to justify their choices but they don't really care about it, it also hits Russian tanks, if you're somehow implying that they let the KV1S exists in this form because of RUSSIAN BIAS,for example the Soviet D-25T doesn't get (300mm pen) HEAT rounds, unlike the Chinese one, because of "historical accuracy".

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