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Mar 28, 2013

8.5 - Patch notes

Well, this is a bit odd. Someone, writing as anonymous, wrote a comment under the recent daily translation that he hates me because I am arrogant, but that he's going to share this anyway (the post ended up in spam folder).

This is NOT confirmed, keep that in mind, some items are... suspicious.

List of changes in 0.8.5 version in comparison with version 0.8.4: 

- added new German research tree branch, Medium and Light tanks: VK 2001 DB (tier 4 MT) VK 3002 DB v1 (tier 6 MT) Indien Panzer (tier 8 MT) Prototype der Arbeitsgruppe A (tier 9 MT) Leopard 1 (tier 10 MT) Aufklarerpanzer Panther (tier 7 LT)
 - Added new Soviet Light tank branch: T-60 (tier 2 LT) T-70 (tier 3 LT) T-80 (tier 4 LT)



So yea, the Indienpanzer will follow after the VK3002DB, which is getting renamed to VK3002(D).

Also, here's the preview of the 8.5 German tree


Recon Panther preview:


Leopard preview:


Russian light tanks



- American Premium tier 3 SPG Sexton moved to the British tree and becomes available for sale in the Store.
- Premium tanks added to Supertesters' accounts for testing:
British tier 5 heavy tank A33 Excelsior
Soviet tier 10 tank "Object 907"
US tier 10 medium tank M60
German tier 10 heavy tank VK7201
- Visual models fixed for: IS-3, Valentine AT, Pz V Panther, Pz IV/V, Object 263, VK 3001H, Conqueror, IS-4M.
- IS-7 maximum speed increased from 50 to 59.6 km/h
- Shell speed for 17сm PaK K72 gun increased from 850 to 925 m/s

- Added new Asian map: "Pearl River"
- Maps reworked for improved rendering: "Ziegfried Line", "Southern Coast", "Malinovka".
- Visual and gameplay updates for maps: "Redshire", "El-Hallouf", "Karelia".
- Changes made in Assault mode for maps: "Malinovka", "Karelia", "Sand River".
- New color correction filters added for testing in improved rendering mode; maps: "Steppes", "Himmelsdorf", "Live Oaks".

- Premium consumables (medi kits, repair kits) are now available for credits (price set according to gold-to-credits normal conversion rate)
- Platoons for 3 are now available for standard (non-Premium) account users <-- HOT!
- Tank company can be now created by non-Premium account users
- Reduced prices for temporary (credit) camouflages, inscriptions and logos
- Post-battle screen changed and updated
- Notification messages now sent after automatic conversion replaces modules, shells or tanks in new version release process.
- Added new inscriptions for 5 nations.
- Inscriptions resolution increased twice.
- Fixed super-large vehicles getting stuck under ledges and jutting elements (bridges, etc..).
- Fixed rare error with small damage shells getting vanished after hitting a gun with large HP number
- Fixed HE rounds not dealing full damage to external modules after penetrating it.
- Fixed HE shells hit and explode on crew modules of a destroyed open-turret tank.
- Fixed error visualizing shells explosion in the air.
- Fixed rare fuel tank destruction indicator not showing in some situations.
- Destroyed tanks do not consume HE shells damage not. HE shells not always explode on the surface of such tanks.
- Fixed smaller and lighter tank not getting damaged when being on top of the heavier and larger one.
- Fixed inscriptions and logos vanishing after using alt-TAB or changing graphics settings.
- Fixed low memory warning mechanism
- Fixed errors with creating new private chat room: creator did not appear in the list of participants, and closing attempt made that chat window freeze.
- Fixed several Premium tanks modules missing in the Store.
- Fixed description of "Raider" achievement.
- Fixed minor errors in several tanks and modules descriptions.
- Fixed "The Lion of Sinai" achievement description
- Fixed minor errors in battle training.
- Fixed Camo net and Binocular telescope effects fading after an attempt to start to move having broken track
- Fixed "Sixth sense" indicator not showing after instant repeating detection
- Moving effects (dirt and dust from the tracks) performance optimized.
- Reduced surface resistance when moving over some destroyed objects.

216 comments:

  1. Platoon thing WHAT?!

    Can't believe it and will not.. until it's up!

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    1. I hope they don't make those 3 platoons available to everyone, because it will be noob and troll platoon spam which will fuck up the MM, which is already plenty fucked up after the server got divided in half.

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    2. May force WG to consider skill/platoons (not sure if it does) into the matchmaker.

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    3. As if premium players are better players anyway.
      If 3 platoons are going to be available to everyone it's just a great opportunity that WG is giving has. I really appreciate that.

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    4. OMG <3
      Wargaming did right by us! That's awesome and unusual.

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    5. Stoped reading after
      - Reduced prices for temporary (credit) camouflages, inscriptions and logos
      There is no way these are happening, someone had a WoT dream.

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  2. AOW SHIEEET NIGGA DAT DB>INDPZR

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  3. 81k? i got 96k so hmm 15k left for free xp convert :|...

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    1. 81k could be from Aufklärungspanther only, i think it always shows the smallest amount of xp in the tech tree.

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    2. Actually the jump from AP to Indien should be more expensive XP-wise as it's a class change/branch jump, those are almost always more expensive than direct route.

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    3. Possible, but I wouldn't rely on that, as you say "almost". I got 120k anyway to be on the safe side.

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  4. I want to believe I want to believe I want to believe

    PLEASE GOD I WANT TO BELIEVE.

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  5. I don't like it... there is no connection between VK 36.01H and VK 30.02D. And you cant explore Tiger or Panther from VK 30.02D, however, you do get new tanks to explore.

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    1. It kinda makes sence to me

      Panzer Drei/Vier = Medium
      Panzer Vier = Heavy

      And you will be able to go from Panther to Königstiger

      -H3rr

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  6. If this is true... SS, you made my day

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    1. Well, thank the guy who posted it in comments in first place...

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  7. well its true :) i was shocked too..
    Frank Davis - is there any secret private way to contact you?

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    1. He receives messages only via courier-owl.

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    2. something more about russians
      http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4622/72449588.jpg

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    3. ugh...the pic isn't there

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    4. Can you please repost the picture?

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  8. No news on swamp. Smells fake.
    I'm interested when will WG introduce RU251 too. Can you get some information on that tank please Silentstalker, from SerB or someone? If it's scrapped I'm sure I will sell my VK2801. I don't want to "play" with the Scout Panther, and I got the VK 3002DB already researched.

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    1. RU251 has the potential to be an awesome light tank which may be why we haven't seen it yet.

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  9. 216k xp for leo 1, wtf?!
    Supreme job SS, keep up with great work.

    PijacMali EU

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  10. The Panther>KT line seems kinda fishy, as does most of the other stuff like the platoons. Seems like a really big update that isn't just tanks upon tanks of tanks that might bring some gameplay improvements.

    Could it actually be? That WG has started to listen to the players?

    Nah, it's probably more trolling :C

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    1. Another "really?" moment is no connection between Aufklarungs Panther and regular Panther (or at least the Panther line).

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  11. I wonder what module will link the 3002 DB to the Indien Panzer...

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  12. fuck the horizontal tech tree

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  13. Why the hell I bought my panther.. Leopard 1 is better than E50m.

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    1. Better what? is a piece of shit

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    2. Just don't go 1vs1 against T62A.

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  14. Too early April fools

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  15. The armor on the Leopard 1 is a joke for a T10 medium. I'm sorry but if these stats are true we are looking at another fail German tank. Another point to boot; the 105mm L7A3 is hair better than the 10.5cm 45/52 via aim but has 2 less pen?

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    1. Sort of agree on this... what does it have that a batchat or t62 doesn't do better?

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    2. So go complain to the Bundeswehr for ordering a "jeune école" super-argile glass cannon back in the day. The AMX-30 oughta be well-nigh identical in most respects if/when it gets added.

      And if those numbers are legit the Leo is going to be a freaking Hellcat hopped up on BERSERKER PACKS.

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    3. I looked at some armour schemes - WG values actually seem legit:
      http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/926/nowyobrazmapybitowej6j.png
      It looks like turret armour is displayed WITHOUT huge mantlet that actually is substatnially thick and rounded, and this 52mm front-roof is on a very decent slope, so this might not be THAT bad news. Frontal armour is only 70mm, which is bad, but again - this is legitimate value, and sloping is quite nice too.

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    4. This scheme is wrong.
      Look here, for example - http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=35472&p=917174

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    5. well on tests leo didnt bounced single shot. even to mantlet. I dont understand this too..
      And remember - many things will change, 8.5 is new on ST.. and it wil come even to public tests..

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    6. Seriously, I just hope that VK3002D connection won't get severed. I want to get both German T10 meds eventually anyway.

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    7. Plus I believe, that if Leo will be seriously underperforming, they'll buff the armour slightly. After all they've done it before, with German vehicle - StuG III got unhistorical 80mm frontal armour (originally it was a 50mm just like in actual latest versions, but WG buffed it for balance reasons).

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    8. > StuG III got unhistorical 80mm frontal armour
      Wrong.

      In-game StuG III is Sturmgeschutz III Ausf. G (1943 production). Armor:
      http://rghost.ru/private/44856443/609b1f808f37e138cf81a1b553bb2c83/image.png
      (Panzer Tracts 8)

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    9. That is StuH armor scheme you likned.
      But overall you're right, later versions had 30+50mm or even solid 80mm front armour. My bad.

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  16. recon panther has 900HP, thats gonna be interesting, ~ 22 HP/ton ratio if i read the correct numbers there.

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  17. Platoons and companies for regular users? Kudos for that.
    VK 3002DB > Tiger and VK 3002DB > Panther connections lost? Not great, but I think an acceptable price to pay to have Leo line available from VK 3002 DB (And actually T6 VK 3001 DB seems very, very interesting). Additional connection from scout line - good move on WG behalf, best of both worlds kind of resolution.
    What bothers me is premium consumables for gold, and the fact that it was suggested that extinguisher change comes with it. But I don't see any info about that in this notes, so maybe not yet (I'd very much like any additional info on that matter). This whole change is just unjust (:D), cause consumable should be activated by player on the moment he sees fit. I mean, when I will be set on fire on very low hp tank, for example, I may judge that it is not worth to add additional 3k credits for an extinguisher (or 20k for that matter for premium one) to a repair bill, as I will basically die no matter what. New system will activate extinguisher, forcing me to do that. Auto extinguishing macros are a problem, no doubt about that, but that kind of change is not an answer. Instead I'd change something in premium extinguisher mechanic, to make it more valuable over the regular one than just being activated automatically; maybe for example make it usable twice, or work at the very moment the fire starts, without any delay that will allow the fire damage to "tick"?

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    1. You can thank the guys with autoclick scripts for that change. Seems WG has no other solution for that problem.

      But one way the change is "logical":
      - automatic exti. is an integrated system that is activated imediately
      - manual exti. have to be grabbed and used by the crew, and this a bit slower

      WG also thought about twice use of auto. exti., but how many times you are set on fire twice in a game?

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    2. Ever played German tanks? This happens quite more often than you imagine. One time I was set on fire twice in my Tiger II by two consecutive shots from Type 59. Not that long ago this happened in my Panther II or VK3002DB. What bothers me is that I will loose any control over extinguishers now. I think that if auto extinguishers would work immediately, before fire do any damage, and manual ones taking 0,5 from the moment player pushes the button, that would be better way. And there really are a situations in which using extinguishers is just a waste, cause you'll die no matter what. Only way not to use them if this change will be implemented would be not to load them in garage...

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    3. Anonymmous TesterMar 29, 2013, 10:14:00 AM

      I'll just say this.... KV1-S....

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    4. Yeah, I know that happens a lot, but strangely enough I cannot recall a single instance of being set on fire when I was driving one....

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    5. I can... 2 days ago... and last week...

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  18. Some of these can be confirmed officially (from the NA server). http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/219611-85-update-notes-preview/

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  19. Anyway, cause it seems that nobody noticed. Belowed WG actually managed to slip VK3002DB nerf. Check the new engine for it - 720 hp instead current 750. Sneaky bastards :D But again - small price to pay to have Leo accessible.

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  20. Woohoo - Auflukrungenflakschnitzelhindenburgpanzer Panther is not in main Leopard 1 line.

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  21. To the Kwk 41 Konisch

    VK36 (8.4)
    Pen 167/225 Dmg: 65/165

    A.Panther (8.5)
    Pen 157/221 Dmg: 165/165

    Nice NerfBuff

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    1. its a great info finally i can rebuy vk36:P

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  22. I see Auf.Panther has konish gun. Compared to what stats is has now it has major buff with regular AP ammo damage and slight pen nerf.

    I was wondering before how are they going to pull it off to change vk3601 into heavy with it's current guns but I guess if it keeps the 8.5 version of konish gun it should be just fine. On the other hand, t has been said they won't change it to heavy in 8.5 so if they let vk3601 to keep new konish it will be quite fun tank to play!

    Also the Auf.Panther looks like it won't have any gun depression whatsoever ... maybe 3 degrees? In other words it wont be able to brawl and circle as any bump will turn it into anti-air gun plus due it's height it won't be able to hit low profile tanks face/side hugging it. It won't be able to snipe either as the choice of firing spots will be severely limited by it's gun depression.
    Unless what is shown on the picture is only stock turret and the upgraded one is somewhat larger. (it may be because it needs to house konish gun)

    Regarding Panther leading to Tiger2. It makes sense. The Panther was considered by Russians as heavy really. Also it was sort of a breakthrough in the sloped armour for Germans continued with Tiger2.

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    1. VK 36 doesn't need the Konisch, it does well with short 8,8cm - you just have to actually aim for good spots instead of spamming in the general direction if the enemy.

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    2. Having "middle ground" gun between L/70 and L/56 in terms of damage never hurts, especially as Konisch have superior accuracy and penetration to both with regular ammo and gold is good enough to penetrate everything.

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  23. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    I can't call the 3002 DB, Douchebag Tank anymore since they are renaming the tank to D.... Ugh.

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    1. You could always call it Dork tank from now on.

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  24. SS is save to say with the addition of those 3 new t10s(m60,obj and FL, without a tech tree)they are going to be unlockable bia CW only?

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    1. I hope all this is a april's fool joke.

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  25. Is that armor change? cuz its very very very low. leo 1 52 turret armor :)

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    1. And M103 has 120 or so - take a look how big gun mantlet is - maybe with it its quite strong turret.

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    2. Leopard 1 will have VERY weak armor, it's historical

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    3. Yes, it is but which version of the Leo are/will they use in the game? Starting with the A3 variant, Leo got an all-round spaced armor which was very effective against HE/HEAT ammo.

      Nevertheless, Leo had far better mobility than its contemporaries, coupled with great accuracy on the move. Hope WG doesn't screw that.

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    4. > 1A1

      Nope, Leopard 1 4th production batch.

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    5. The very first production model, A1 model had sideskirts.

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  26. the DW (tier 5 MT) is missing

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    1. Yes, I wrote earlier it wouldn't be in 8.5 most likely.

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    2. it is possible that DW will be HT and and could lead to VK36 (also HT)

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  27. A33? what is this tank?

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    1. Excelsior. A slow medium/heavy hybrid. Low firepower, slow, decently armored.

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    2. basically, a british T14

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    3. No, T14 was for Britain anyway. A33 is much bigger and better armoured.

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    4. T14 was Brit/us joint project..A33 is a very different beast

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    5. The A33 Excelsior and the T14 were both born of the same Assault Tank project proposed by Britain to the US in late-1941 as a potential replacement for the early Churchill models which were seen as somewhat lacking at the time. Both tanks were rather similar in capabilities: the Excelsior had 102mm (4") of vertical armor while the T14 had 51mm (2") sloped at 60° for an effective value of 102mm. The Excelsior was planned to use either an OQF 6pdr or an OQF 75mm and the T14 was planned to use the 75mm M3 and a 57mm gun (I am not sure if it was the 6pdr Mk.V or the American built M1), though it is mentioned by Hunnicutt that the turret ring on the T14 was noted to be enough to accommodate the 76mm M1 or the 105mm M4 howitzer. Additionally, it is interesting to note that at some point, both tanks utilized suspension components from the American M6 heavy tank project. Both the T14 and the Excelsior were built to the same combat requirements and would have likely performed very similarly in the field with the only real difference being that one was based on the Cromwell and the other the Sherman.

      So my point is, it is pretty much a British T14. Expect it to play very similar to the T14 with the only real substantial difference being the armament (probably getting the 6pdr), size (the Excelsior is longer, I think), and speed (the model being added to the game is using the Cromwell's Christie suspension over the M6 suspension it trialled in one prototype).

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  28. Thx Silent :)
    That 165 dmg with standard-ammo on the konisch gun looks interesting...
    Any news about the DurchbruchWagen?

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    1. Ok, already got the answer for DW :)

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    2. Konisch buff make sense, vk3601h as heavy tank with that gun is just AWESOME (i mean i play vk3601 with 7,5 L70, so that's a straight buff for me)

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    3. I don't understand how people can NOT play the VK 36 with aomething other than 8,8cm gun - unless they want to pen regardless of where they aim at.

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    4. Dude, I remember the era, when the 8,8 cm L/56 was brutally inaccurate: All shells fell to the edge of the aiming circle, whether you aimed from 10 meters, or from 100 meters, or from 250+ meters.
      Earlier it had been a really amazing tin can of doom even with the 8,8 cm, which had been definetly accurate back then :)
      Probably this horrible lack of accuracy is fixed now... I don't know, haven't playd the minitiger for months...

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    5. Can confirm that current VK36 with short 88 is awesome. Used the L/70 while the crew were still too n00b to use the bigger pipe effectively, but it's a better match for the 30P overall.

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  29. Aaaaand the Loe 1 HYPE is gone for me. Fucking light tank armor, yet it features the same gun as E-50M. No way a german tank can have T62A rate of fire.

    No reason to get this over T-54,E-50, E-50M, T62A. We got anothere pile of shit.

    Im so pissed off fuck you Wg!!!!!!!32435rsad98sad76rtasd@!#e42314213 BUUUULLLLSHIIIIIIIT!!!!!

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    1. What do you expect from a Leopard 1? Armor like Maus and gun like Jagdpanzer E 100?

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    2. "Fucking light tank armor"

      What did you expect from a medium, which as everyone knows, has bad armor but awesome mobility and gun?

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    3. I don't see the problem. I do like the sats and I will go for it even when it's totaly crap. ;)

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    4. Question is, how good are hidden values like gun depression, ground resistance, accuracy on the move and such.

      Its paper panzer, but as long it packs decent values in soft stats it will be more than workable.

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    5. "No way a german tank can have T62A rate of fire. "

      uMad?

      390x9 is a lot more than 320x9 xD

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    6. ^^ and where did you saw 9 RoF on Leo1 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5sotvrUdS-k/UVSV85z8Z1I/AAAAAAAAAao/B73iP8OHMfM/s1600/91262066.jpg ??

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    7. uMad too?! D:

      I was pointing out at the fact that Leo with 9 rate of fire would have too great potential of damage per minute.. not that he has 9 RoF lol

      Hajvanho

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  30. Wow, how can there be people that didn't know that the Leopard's armor would be low?

    That's what people have been saying ever since the first time someone on the EU forums made a topic along the lines of
    "Will there ever be the Leopard?".

    How can you be so pissed of at something that's historically correct? oO

    I'm more pissed of by the AlptraumLöwe that the WG devs will hopefully reveal to be a 1st april joke.
    Or the fire extinquisher thing.

    Anyway... so SS have you tried the "Project Tank" browsergame yet? XD

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    1. Leopard gun could fire 10 rounds a minute, historically..... Funny how history only matters when it is keeping German tanks down.

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    2. T62A has decent at least armor(can bounce ocasionaly) and have OP DPM...so i'm curious why Leo 1 since it will be paper armor doesn't have at least the same DPM as T62A or even higher...yea bcs it's German thats why...

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    3. I agree on the rate of fire, but that is something that might change on the test server.

      If the results from the public testserver reveal that the RoF sucks, Wargaming will change it, it wouldn't be the first time.

      Note: I'm not defending Wargaming, there's a reason why I enjoy War Thunder more than WoWP, but raging about things that aren't even on the public testserver yet is kinda silly.

      Wait till we get to test it (Heck the stats might change till we get the pts) and start >constructive< criticism in the forums.

      Not to mention that this might aswell all be fake.
      I'm just assuming this might be legit information.

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  31. Im almost convinced this leak was from a troll,look at how OP the new soviet LTs are,he probably did this so people would say its russian bias,and the e man platoon without prem?WG is never that generous,im 80% sure this is trolling.

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    1. Since SS said he would keep the blog clean and not leak things, i think you are right. SS keeps his word.

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  32. does it mean that vk2801 now cost only 28k xp?
    im glad that i unlocked both panther and tiger from vkdb while also saving 100k xp

    and any info on vk3001d ? if its stock version of 3002 im rebuying pz3/4 so i can have farming machine

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  33. Russian tanks pic dont work...

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  34. so.. aufkl panther has 15mm front armour more than Leo1, isn't that nice?

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  35. Do you have any further info about guns on Indienpzr and T9 Leopard?

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  36. People knew the Leo 1 would have horrible armor, thus they expected a great RoF to make up for the lack of an autoloader, or the dpm of the T62.

    It's not a hard concept to grasp here people.

    This is wargaming being the racists they are once again belittling Germany's accomplishments.

    Oh, if you want to go "realistic" on the armor thus why the Leo is the way it is, then give it's 10 RoF then.

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    1. I could load a 105MM gun every 4 seconds in an early M1 Abrams which used pretty much the same 105mm gun as the Leopard 1. Increase in ROF is needed to make the Leopard 1 viable.

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    2. >belittling Germany's accomplishments
      >British gun

      Cool story bro.

      Anyways that's essentially the same RoF as all the other "Western" Tier Ten meds get with the selfsame gun so Deal Wit It(tm). But I think I hear the M48 weeping blood in the corner already given how stupidly better acc stats the Leo apparently gets with it...

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  37. I'm hoping that their way to justify 216,000 xp to unlock the Leopard-1 is because they don't have many upgrade options on the Leopard prototype.

    Comparing the E-50M and Leo-1's gun makes me wonder if they're going to reduce the velocity of the Leo gun?

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    1. L7 gun is still L7 gun. It would be kinda retarded to have different penetration/damage for the same gun, different optics justifies accuracy discrepancies.

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  38. God finally, they renamed the Vk's correctly. :3
    And the Spähpanther looks ridiculous with such a small turret. XD

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    1. Silentstalker, do I have something on my eyes or do some vehicle get a research xp reduce?

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    2. No idea mate. Could still be wrong/preliminary

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    3. oh well, as you mentioned "This is NOT confirmed" and could get changed. :)

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    4. Research cost of 2801 reduced of 52.100 to 28.500

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  39. IS-7 buff? More topseed.
    More topseed for a vehicle that HARDLY reaches 37km/h on flat.
    Pure bullshit.

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    1. My thought exactly ^^

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    2. Ill take it, better then nothing.

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    3. Correction, it IS nothing. The only way you reach 50km/h is going downhill, and you already hit 60km/h+ since the physics update, so the increase in top speed is absolutely worthless unless they increase passability of the tank so you can actually reach that speed.

      Top speed was never a problem for the IS-7. When the hell did people complain about that? They complained about it being slow, as in, it lumbers long and can't reach even it's 50km/h top speed...THAT is the problem....so this is either bullshit/troll/april fools, or WG had their thumb up their ass when they thought of this one. I guess third option is we have iincomplete data, as in they increased top speed AND increased passability. Then that is gravy.

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    4. 60 pk/h was hsitorical. They can use that to justify it. I dont like it either, but an IS-7 doing almost 70kp/h sounds good to me.

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    5. Maybe top speed has an influence on mobility? I'm not a big fan of this update to it, but at least now it reaches it's death a bit faster ;)

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  40. Anyone else disappointed the object 907 will not be obtainable (if this goes through)?

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    1. I think they will, they are just now for testers as premium tanks on RU when it will 8.5 come live. Like Super Pershing was.. I think they will add them with new tier 10 tree or as premiums for normal users..

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  41. Is it just me or does the new soviets look OP?

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  42. Any details about T8 and T9 german tanks?

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  43. I expect at least 1 german tank which will not be THE LAST CHOICE to pick for CW/Companies/Tournaments but as i can see these stats E50M would be even better choice than Leo.

    Well we cant expect anything good from WG

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    1. True dat.
      And it seems they are ltao.

      Wasnt anything other to be expected.

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  44. i think a lot of this is some april fucking joke...im pretty sure of that

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  45. Hey frank I have a youtube channel on WOT do you think I could make a video on the patch notes using information and screen shots on your blog I would link your blog in my video please respond THX keep up the good work hesre is the link to my channel http://www.youtube.com/user/glenn0010?feature=watch

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  46. They better not be making the Patton a t10 prem. If so that's really messed up. Even more annoying is if you can only get it through clan wars.

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  47. Leo1 slightly bigger RoF than E50M that has great armor for a medium while Leo is paper armor...lol it can envy even the fucking T30 for it's armor :D...so Leo1 isn't gonna have anything that some other T10 meds doesn't have even better...sigh...WG WHY ARE YOU SUCH A FUCKING COMMUNIST RACISTS....historical accuracy my fucking ass...where's the 10 RoF for Leo that was historically correct? Oh, yea it would be too OP for your books...go fuck yourself vodka drunk orangutans...yes this is yet another anti-german bias whining...

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    1. The same place where the IS-7 10 ROF is.

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    2. ROFL of course it is. It's people like you who make the German tanks playerbase look awfully retarded. You even make SerB look like a nice, polite person.

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  48. Wow, I wish I would have known the VK2801 would be getting an exp. cost reduction, making the A. Panther only 43,100 exp... Haha, I got all the way up to 75,000 extra exp. on my 2801 in anticipation! God I hope this is real though!

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  49. I think some people around here lack brains. No one complains about Leo bad armor, when you have other advantages. Such as rof.

    See

    T62A>no hull armor>great speed>great mobility>but great rof to compensate for poor armor.
    Same with Batchat.

    E50M>good armor>ram king>great speed>great mobility>crappy gun rof.
    Leo1>no armor>great speed>great mobility>shit rof.

    Want me to write again?

    T62A>no hull armor>great speed>great mobility>but great rof to compensate for poor armor.SOVIET
    Leo1>no armor>great speed>great mobility>shit rof. GERMAN

    Looks like il keep grinding my way to T62A. No fucking viable point grinding Leo 1.

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    1. Yes, ROF seems very low for a tank that was designed as a glass canon (great mobility and great firepower, but low armor since, back then, it was thought armor would be useless against guns of that era).

      Wait and see when it becomes official. Still to early to discuss such things, but if this does make to live server, then it would be irrefutable proof of Russian bias.

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    2. I guess 9° gun depression (compared to 5° on T-62A) means nothing to you.
      Also 65 km/h compared to 50 km/h, and 20.75 hp/ton compared to 15.68 hp/ton.

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    3. Hahaha...

      How about smaller, thicker and bouncier armor, phenomenal terrain passability, excellent traverse speeds and on top of that all, superior DPM? You also forgot removed speed governor (+10% engine power)...That kind of gun depression IS great, IF you have a strong turret armor...

      In general, more effective in 70% of situations.

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    4. Lower by 0.3 m, differences in width and length are few centimeters.
      Only part of armour worth anything at that tier is turret front, but it can't use hills because of bad gun depression, so it has to expose its hull anyway.
      Terrain passability is without a doubt great on T-62A, but Leopard's (and its resulting mobility) is unknown right now. Most available stats show that Leopard will have better mobility.
      Traverse speed 54 °/s for Leo and 56 °/s. HUEG DIFFERENCE RUSSIAN BIAS!!!eleven!!one!!
      Removed speed governor that makes your engine to break after 20 seconds...
      Better to show just turret (as Leopard is going to be able to do) instead of the whole tank. And nobody says you have to just sit there and let everyone fire at your turret.
      Leopard also has better alpha, view range, accuracy, penetration and aim time.

      So far it seem's T-62A's only advantages are going to be better rate of fire and turret armour.

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    5. ^Completely agree.

      WHAT? GERMAN TANK SLIGHTLY WORSE THAN ITS SOVIET COUNTERPART IN SOME SPECIFIC TERMS? RUSSIAN BIAS!!11!eleven!!!

      Seriously guys, it's not even in the game yet...

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  50. Replies
    1. It was removed from the 8.5 Patch and probably moved back... one or two patches probably.

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  51. Leopard 1 will pwn in the right hands it seems. Speed both backward and forward, and excellent sniping capabilities and decent damage.

    I foresee for the first time in the history of World of Tanks, a plethora of forumthreads of "OMG ITS SO OP, NERF IT".

    And for a german tank!

    This will be awesome!

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  52. TheVoiceOfReason finally a person who understands the whole concept of how to balance no armor tanks, with great gun rof instead.

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    1. Seriously, I'm no developer, but I've been gaming for a long time, and I understand the concepts of balance. I mean, the batchat has horribad armor, but it's burst is it's equalizer, and it works.

      The Leo on the other hand has a horrible RoF with horribad armor. How is this balanced? It's not.

      I would say this would be the nail in the coffin for WG and their awful devs showing that they hate the Germans, but this was proven long ago when they said all, "all" Germans are liars and they would never-ever respect them.

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    2. > The Leo on the other hand has a horrible RoF with horribad armor. How is this balanced? It's not.

      You do not even need to go into battle on this? Judging by the screenshots - 10/10!

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    3. "Horrible RoF"

      Go look at what every other tank gets with the same gun and speak no more of the matter, thanks.

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  53. Thanks SS. This sparked my interest in the Leo, but even more interested in that Indienpanzer thingy. Afklarunngschintzelpanzer looks way too fishy for me though.

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  54. No mention of correcting the cost of repair on the VK-2801 or of softening the gun dispersion nerf - which went way overboard. No mention of the RU251 - which was "confirmed" earlier. HA! Speed buff to IS7 - for god's sakes why?

    Looks like a big pile of garbage to me.

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  55. 900h.p. engine, 38tons weight and 85mm frontal armor with a new konisch gun which have the same damage per shot for silver and gold ammo.
    If it is real, I think I'm okay with the AP. But it smells like fool days joke...

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    1. true to much amazing stuff there. it will hardly be truth

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  56. Wait... they changed names like the VK 3002 to their historically accurate name VK 30.02 but changed DB to D (which is not historically accurate as far as I know) at the same time?!

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    1. I found VK 3002(DB) from Spielberger's book and VK 30.02(D) from Jentz's book. No idea which one is more accurate.

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    2. In Jentz's book names is correct, not in Spielberger's book.

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  57. this is some april joke fucking shit...

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  58. Is the Leopard some king of Joke?
    I mean comparing the Leopard to the E 50M you get
    -100 hp
    +1,5Horsepower/tonnage
    +5km/h top speed
    +10 track traverse
    +0,42 rof
    +0,2 aiming time
    -a freaking ton of armor

    So when you want to snipe, you got the same Sniping capabilitys as the E50M, but with no armor so any arty shell that only touches you makes you go boom

    And when you want to bral, you got about the same armor as the Batchat, only without a revolver and with less speed

    So what's the point of the tank?
    I was expecting batchat like Horsepower/tonnage ratios to compensate for the lack of armor.. i hightly doubt a batchat without autoloader and with les speed will work.

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    1. No goddamn point at all but to make morons go "ooo, shiney, a new German tank, it must be awesome, like the T10 TD was!"

      Waste of time to pursue it. WG can really suck my balls at this point. I knew they would screw this up.

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    2. ^
      German fanboys whining about new tank being good instead of ridiculously OP.

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    3. Here's the problem, as I've seen someone wisely put it on the fourms:

      The Leo and E-50M being "good" tanks is great, but when the others are "great", there's a problem.

      Deal with it WG fanboy.

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    4. Not going to be good. Average, at best. Germans have the worst overall T10s by far. Now we get this crap. At least the devs are consistent and WG fanboys are still stupid.

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    5. It always gives me the feeling that people are taking the whole thing too seriously. The game, I mean. If you don't like tier X, play tier IX... who cares? Some people like to whine no matter what. And yes, I work for WG.

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    6. Who cares? Your customers. People that pay for your job.

      I dont know why its hard to understand that people care for their countrys tanks. But they are just whiners, even when they have a good reason to complain, eh?

      Go on with that bias of yours.

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    7. I guess it's the hidden stats which will make the Leo good.
      Stuff like terrain resistance, camo value, accuracy at the move etc. I think it will play a bit similar like a Crusader at T10. And although this isn't usually my playstyle I got along with it pretty well.

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    8. Lol that retard calls it ridiculously OP. Can you be that retarded to say such a thing? Leo 1 ridiculously OP? lmao whats the world coming to! some people should be banned from accesing the internet!

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    9. In honesty, I could see it getting its gun accuracy reduced to .32 to put it on par with the FV. still nice accuracy, but the E-50M would still be a better(stat wise) sniper

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    10. at anon above:
      Like you for example. I never called Leo "ridiculously OP", I expressed amusement after fanboys whined that it's not OP.
      Learn to read before you call people retards next time.

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  59. Premium Tanks added to Super testing tier 10? Wha? miscommunication? Sorry just wondering

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  60. If there's someone out there reading this who's a dev, or has more money than they know what to do with, hire me as a lead of balance and gameplay for a WoT-killer. Plz. I'll work for cheap at that. :)

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  61. im up for tking any bastard thats willing to drive in a tank(m60, failowe,etc) that can only be unlocked by special means. I.E Winning at clan wars or winning a tournament.

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  62. have him one in that claps
    IS 7 top speed 60 km / H with it he is quicker like typ59

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  63. "Visual and gameplay updates for maps: "Redshire", "El-Hallouf", "Karelia"."

    Sounds legit (and I bloody hope it is...).

    http://overlord-wot.blogspot.dk/2013/01/wot-map-thing.html

    "Redshire and El Halluf will undergo some gameplay changes."

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  64. Didn't they say Komarin will return in 8.5?

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    1. Swamp too. Its not mentioned.

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  65. not sure why you are whining already with the leo stats we dont know if this aint fake...
    and ofc the tanks added to supertests wont be premiums....except the brit one maybe
    but if this are the REAL stats yes leo is crap...
    anyway i will be looking for that camo price reduction

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  66. did you notice the ninjabuff on the PzKpfw V Panther? On the pics it has 10mm more sidearmor than now. 50mm is finally enough to sidescrape the damn russian 122mm and show those motherf*s whos the boss :D

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    1. hmm
      wotdb wasnt accurate, its already 50mm sidearmor (sold it a few weeks ago). Yet I wonder: when did they buff the Panther to 50mm? Because I'm pretty sure that I couldnt sidescrape with it vs. anything with a 120mm ...

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  67. So, are they buffing the GWT's stock gun shell speed, or the JPE100's shell speed. there is no 17 cm Pak K72. there is a 17 cm Pak 46 and a 17 cm K72, but not the mentioned one.

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    1. I think it's the JPZE100's gun, because the the Pak46's speed is 850 now while the K72's speed is only 460(440 with gold).

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  68. The aufklarüngspanther's konisch shows 165 for the non-gold ammo. does this mean the VK 3601's konisch will also get its non-gold buffed up? If that is the case, then i'll be incredibly happy.

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    1. Seems so. So VK36 will get intermediate gun in terms of damage, yet with superb penetration, DPM (1940 vs +-1770 for 88 and 75) and accuracy.

      German bias?

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  69. Indien panzer after DB, if it stayes this way... so much win!

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  70. Is there any information about this new tier 6 MT? I love playing on that tier, and I'm really interested to play this line all way from start. And I even had VK3002(DB) when I was on my way to Panther.

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  71. What's this huge pile of whining shits over a tank's paper stats at mere rumor lvl, not even confirmed and out? Get your lives, people.

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  72. New picks of Aufklarerpanzer Panther
    http://wot-news.com/uploads/img/032013/pan_1.jpg
    http://wot-news.com/uploads/img/032013/pan_2.jpg
    http://wot-news.com/uploads/img/032013/pan_3.jpg
    http://wot-news.com/uploads/img/032013/pan_4.jpg

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  73. Thats odd, it was said the swamps would return in 8.5 yet there is no mention of it in these patch notes

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  74. You know it occured to me, if the Konisch changes are true, and the damage is all they change, it would turn the VK36 into even more of a moneymaker, 63 creds for a shell that does 160 damage?
    Yes please!

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  75. Sh**!!!! I attemted to get the VK3002 DB with the VK 3601, I know I should have waited >o

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  76. There are rumors that VK3601(H) will lost his Konish due to introduction of new Aufklärungspanzer Panther :(..

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    1. That's bullshit, because the Konisch was the VK36.01's historical gun.

      It would be like removing the Tiger I's L56.

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  77. This is official post from supercharge of English Community Team in EU
    http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/226431-tier-x-tank-rumors/
    So M60, FailLowe, Object 907 are for "End Game" content (CW)

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  78. Will the Leo1 also have the 88/L100 as medium gun?

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    1. No, it only has one gun- the 105mm L7 (same as the British tier 10 medium).

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    2. Thanks, and the leo 1 proto will have? that 88/L100?

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