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Mar 29, 2013

29.3.2013

- P.43bis might have the same gun as the Semovente 105/25 (most likely nothing longer)
- apparently there were no Japanese SPG's developed based on the superheavy tank chassis, as the tanks themselves were barely properly developed
- regarding the possibility that the top Japanese tank destroyers will be modified superheavy chassis projects with 155mm+ guns - "we'll see"
- according to SerB, new re-worked maps don't have less cover from arty, their surface was levelled in order to allow better maneuvering
- the situation with arty around tier 10 is still not satisfactory according to SerB, but it'll get better (SS: with the T10 arty introduction)
- there will be no 4 man platoon
- completely destructible environment would require several times more powerful servers than what WG now has, unrealistic
- real unit emblems will not be introduced, SerB doesn't want SS "Totenkopf" symbols in game (not even for historical battles)
- when using a repair kit in game, the cost of that module repairs is not included in the final repair costs for the battle, SerB states that using repair kits is more expensive even for hightier tanks, he also states that while the price for module repairs is different for each module, repair kit is always more expensive
- it's planned that when a burning tank drives into water, the water will extinguish the fire
- WG doesn't use much outsourcing when creating ingame models
- 0.8.6: tier 10 arty plus British arty
- Q: "SerB, what will you do with forum trolls?" A: "I'll go feed one"
- there will be a special map screen, on which the Clanwars commanders will be able to draw and explain tactics for their teams
- apparently, the M110 US heavy artillery won't be introduced
- related to AT-2 introduction, other nations' TD's won't be buffed
- alternative guns for arty will most likely not be introduced
- there will be no alternative guns for premium tanks
- Dicker Max doesn't have additional grousers equipment, because they are not needed
- Swamp and Pearl River might have more game modes than just the regular battle

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  1. "Swamp and Pearl River might have more game modes than just the regular battle"

    Swamp wasn't included in 'the' 8.5 patch notes... So, were the patch notes incorrect or did they forget Swamp or won't it return in 8.5?

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    1. Well, it's still not official patchnotes, maybe it'll be in the final ones

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    2. ^ Really hoping that. I actually liked Swamp.

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  2. How in the hell can real enviornment destructability be 'unrealistic' for the server load if Battlefield has been doing it for YEARS already.

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    1. Uneducated Belarussians simply lack the skill and knowledge that western programmers have. You can't expect 3rd-worlders to intellectually match real people.

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    2. And yet here you are, with all your intellectual might posting on a blog (Which is not even official) about the same belarussians. Which by the way are making ridiculous amounts money as we speak (Well write).

      I wonder who is the stupid one in the current situation.

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    3. Is the destructability of the environment handled server-side in the Battlefield series? AFAIK it is not, it is handled client-side, so all of the work is split inbetween the players' computers, and the server load consists mostly on relying information from one computer to another. It could handle all those shiny effects, but the cost of it are all those hacks.
      Now imagine that all the destruction would be handled server-side. Those servers (which are from time to time overloaded by sheer amount of WoT players only !!!) would be even more stressed, and the amount of lag on WoT servers would render every game unplayable.

      So do you want Battlefield like destruction, and play with 3 FPS because of that? I definitely don't want to.

      btw. do you know ARMA or Operation Flashpoint (That original one, not the new one)? Both of these games have indestructible environment, so you can be stopped by wooden houses or trees while driving your beloved M1A1 Abrams MBT.

      So before you start whining about something, think about what would it take to change that.

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    4. Battlefield series: AAA title made by a big company.
      World Of tanks: First succesful game in a formerly small belarussian company.

      It only makes sense that the battlefield servers are more powerful

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    5. Since when does FPS have anything to do with server load? WG is trying to keep the game Hack-free, hence the server takes over all the crucial parts (spot mechanics, penetration check, etc).

      In Battlefield, or any other first person shooter, this wouldn't work because of the delay resulting from the server to client communication. It would interfere with the (much quicker) gameplay, which in WOT is slow enough to be able to ignore the server-client delay.

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    6. "WG is trying to keep the game Hack-free"

      Still they will fuck up the fire extinguisher mechanics, instead of doing something against the macros.

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    7. By "fucking up the mechanics" they are actually solving the macro problem, aren't they? Now there is a point in the firefighting skill again, and driving in water will also extinguish the fire.

      Besides, fire is too rare to make a big difference anyways.

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    8. For the poster above:
      Play german tanks from tier 7 and upper than tell me how rare are those fires.
      Tiger, Tiger2, E-75, E-100, Panther, Panther 2, E-50 are few examples of living torches.
      Also, russians got such specimens too.Look at KV series.

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    9. today i played with meds/light ALL of them both russian & german & american got flamed.
      never happen before, game after game.
      even twice on t-43 on same battle!?
      i think WG is making "secret" tests re fire.
      mark my word.

      re client/server architecture.
      WoT is designed like Citrix (application virtualization, VNC etc) so client is very light and sends only position,action. the downside is that game cannot really scale with new feature's as the server's are becoming a bottleneck for game design.

      and thats done, they will never change this model. less features, less graphics then others. i think it's a mistake and will prove their downfall in the future.

      the upcoming competitor will likely design a better client/server based on ability to scale both in client features & server load, while taking on more risk of hackers.

      first company that succeeds in a new type of MMO only opens the path for others to do a better job.



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    10. Alex, you don't know living torches until you've played the FV215b.

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    11. Well i didn't yet :).
      Ofc there are more living torched but german high-tier tanks and KV series are the most known for their reputation as pyromaniacs.:)

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  3. - completely destructible environment would require several times more powerful servers than what WG now has, unrealistic
    Sure, why update the 5 year old servers of something that still makes a ton of cash.

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    1. Because the latest Battlefield games uses a much more powerful engine that isn't dedicated to MMOs -.-

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    2. And in Battlefield, nearly everything is handled on your computer, not server-side.

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  4. "0.8.6: tier 10 arty plus British arty"
    -> it anybody from WG confirmed?

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    1. urgs,

      that will come in June or July?

      I still have to grind so much XP on my tier 7 arties.

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  5. - it's planned that when a burning tank drives into water, the water will extinguish the fire.

    Because WG forgot how to physics at first place.

    - related to AT-2 introduction, other nations' TD's won't be buffed.

    Sure as hell Tier 5 is a lot more difficult to pass if AT-2 stands in your way.

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    1. I just wonder why mid tier UK TDs have much more HP than their counterparts? They basically have HP of same tier MTs. So not only they have amazing armour, they also have much bigger HP pool, so they can soak up more damage. Isn't this a bit too much?

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    2. The guns are lackluster, and the TDs are so slow.

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    3. Lackluster guns, really? Take a look at the AT 8 at T6 - 171 penetration, which is rather high value for that tier, good DPM thanks to RoF, fast aim time and surgeon-like accuracy.
      AT 7 at T7 - very good penetration, very good DPM due to nice alpha coupled with very good (for such caliber) RoF, still good aiming time and even more accurate.
      They are slow, very slow, no doubts about that, and that is serious flaw, but guns are rather their strong sides. I'd never call them lackluster.

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    1. Swamp encounter.....they dont place it in middle of map will they?
      Because nobody drove tru the middle very often back then :D

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    2. No I hope they will, so many can now learn how to Play Encounter (e.g. NOT capping early) ;)

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  7. Not surprised that Serb doesnt want Nazi symbols in game and yet Soviet red star and hammer & sickel symbols appear.

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    1. serb is a retarded communist racist piece of shit who gets nightmares even at the mention of something related to SS/nazi symbols

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    2. Didnt know they take SilentStalker's symbols so seriously :D

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    3. :D Damn, here I thought I'd have my own emblem... seriously though, the skull symbol I use as avatar comes from the Warhammer 40k franchise, it has nothing to do with nazis.

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    4. May I ask you?

      What international tribunal condemned the Communist Party of USSR or USSR itself as criminal organization?

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    5. ...although it's not like the Imperium of Man wasn't a merry pastiche of totalitarian tropes when it comes to that. :P

      Anyways, German legislation if nothing else, remember? Back in the day my brother had to shoop the swastikas out of the historical photos he used to spice up his Hearts of Iron 3 AAR on the Paradox forums, too (he pasted a rubber ducky over them IIRC)...

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    6. If you turn svastikas in the other direction you get the symbol of good in Indian culture, as far as I can recall.

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    7. "May I ask you?

      What international tribunal condemned the Communist Party of USSR or USSR itself as criminal organization?"

      You need an fucking retarded "international tribunal" to tell you that starving ~20 mil people in the mid 20s of the last century is a crime? Or how about Stalins and Berias purges, Katyn ..., opression and terror in the baltic states and the rest of eastern europe.

      Get lost u fucking ignorant.

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    8. What international tribunal condemned the Communist Party of USSR or USSR itself as criminal organization?

      --> Stupid Question!
      To give you a hint about the size:
      they havent been able, after 24 years of 24/7 workwhifts to write down all names of people which died because of human-degrading actions in the UDSSR.

      I personally dont need any stupid tribunals.. for me tUDSSR is guilty as charged, without being hammered in court so far.

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    9. You were ask about tribunal, not your opinion. So "What international tribunal condemned the Communist Party of USSR or USSR itself as criminal organization?"

      It also funny how people calling serb racist, i rely didn't how that SS and Nazism are race or nationality.

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    10. «You need an fucking retarded "international tribunal" to tell you that starving ~20 mil people in the mid 20s of the last century is a crime?»
      Sources, mr. Uneducated, we need sources. You don't even seem to know that Beria is not connected to Grand Purge. Yagoda was a director of NKVD during that time.

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    11. «I personally dont need any stupid tribunals.. for me tUDSSR is guilty as charged, without being hammered in court so far.»
      Justice and Power of Law in their full glory we witness here, young padawan! And brilliant arguments proven by the most infallible sources: «they havent been able, after 24 years of 24/7 workwhifts to write down all names of people which died because of human-degrading actions in the UDSSR.»

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    12. Learn to write in english, there is no such think as the UDSSR.

      You look almost as stupid as the poles writing KW insted of KV.

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    13. Are you stupid? Sources for what ? Genocide in ukrain or katyn...? Soviets were as bad as nazis
      But they won WW2...

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    14. "If you turn svastikas in the other direction you get the symbol of good in Indian culture, as far as I can recall."

      Same diff, really. The Asians use them pretty much interchangeably AFAIK. Naturally they can't be bothered to give a damn about our negative associations of the symbol; sort of how the Iranians don't particularly care about what we associate "Aryan" with.
      Can't remember if anyone but the Nazis rotated it 45 degrees though.

      Also butthurt dumbasses? There's a world of practical difference between "moral judgement" and "legal ruling".

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    15. So it's your own opinion and your own problem. If you dose not get what we are talking about I'll tell you... There are quite clear laws regarding Nazi and SS symbols in Europe or U.S. both in Russia and Belarus Because of this, no game developers are using historical symbols of the Third Reich. Not only WG, all. Therefore blame everything on the evil will of serb is rather foolish.

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    16. Sources for preposterous claims, of course. It's easy to say that ~20mln people were starved to death by communists. It's not possible to prove that though. But people like you do not care. «I personally dont need any…» is your credo.
      Modern propaganda is far worse than anything Soviets ever came with. Sad thing.

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    17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
      Google "ukrain hunger"
      Russian gov few years ago said that soviets indeed killed polish officers in katyn (and other places to)
      THoes are FACTS
      Again soviets were as bad ad nazis they even started war togheter with hitler yet its ok to use red star in game

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    18. It's ok because they won the war, the winners decide what's wrong and what's right, everything else is fascist historical revisionism.

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    19. USA government made medical experiments on black ppl in late 70s. 30 years after II WW. Will you start crying about bad americans and democracy? Or big starve on Ireland in ~1845 because of British imperial capitalistic bastards. Will u hate them too?
      THoes are FACTS
      Again usa/british/whatever as bad as soviets and nazis (at some point ofc)its ok use white star in game blah blah blah.

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    20. Why do you always blame SerBs?

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    21. No-one sane would say that the US or western democracies are perfect or that they have not ever committed any atrocities. The difference is however that there is some reflection going on, which is made possible by free society (free press,...). Sadly, this is not the case for current Russia. (but Japan is similar about its WWII behavior)

      Not to see the difference is really sad. And for me as a citizen of a country once occupied by USSR, it is also threatening, because it suggests that people in Russia consider its past behavior as acceptable and hence potentially repeatable.

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    22. Massacre of Katyn? ever heared that?


      just to throw that in, too.


      Jeez i didnt know that there are so many brainwahsed communists here...

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    23. @anon
      yeah, USA gave black ppl ~10k $ per capita. For experiments and sometimes ruined life. After about 30 years of 'no, there wasnt any experiments' bullshit. Hurr Hurr Brave USA Hurr Hurr Bad commies durr durr. Russia isn't better or worse, it's always just propaganda.


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      no-one gives a shit about Katyn, sorry. Like no-one gives a shit about amerian bombing of Tokio (circa 100k civilians dead. more than any axis bombardment and only about another 100k less than infamous nanking massacre) or slaughter of ormians in turkey 'because it was war, we've got moral right'. Same bullshit.
      so if we are brainwashed commies, then you're retarded nazi. Same fuckin logic.

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    24. To compare the evils of communism to the various generic stupid crap pretty much every nation has engaged in at various points in history shows a pretty stunning lack of math skills.

      Everyone else was pretty much an amateur in the democide department compared to the Soviets and Chinese.

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    25. "AnonymousMar 29, 2013, 11:05:00 PM...

      ...so if we are brainwashed commies, then you're retarded nazi. Same fuckin logic."

      No - there is a big difference. Every sane person in the "western world" will agree to the fact, that Nazis were an evil bunch of motherfuckers and that there were also crimes of war by the allied to a much lesser degree.

      But what the "western" audience is witnessing here - and what gets "us" worked up - is the fact that even today "some" guys from the eastern parts of europe like to paint the red counterparts of Hitler and his gang as saints, where in reality they were as bad as him, with the only difference that they were on the side of the victors.

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    27. "Because of this, no game developers are using historical symbols of the Third Reich. Not only WG, all."

      where did you get that from? The Swastika is not banned in all countries. In the uncut PEGI 16+ version from CoD 3 there are a lot of Swatikas:

      http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=3744 (german site, it shows the difference between the PEGI 16+ and the german version

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    28. Well it also kinda helps that they didn't have RACE WAR as a central ideological tenet... the Soviets killed an assload of people because the state was for a couple of decades run by a paranoid psychopath, not because it was some kind of underlying dogma.

      They also never got around to *industrialising* mass murder like the Nazis did. That goes a long way to making Stalin's terror a mere regression to barbarism as opposed to *perversion of civilisation*.

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    29. why do all of you want Swastikas and SS symbols? I do not understand...

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    30. ^true, but at the end the reason matters a little to the people killed.

      However, the discussion was more about the amount of reflection and the relativisation of one'e atrocities by someone else's atrocities.

      BTW, Germans get confronted about what they did all the time in schools etc.

      but lets discuss tanks, not history, this is supposed to be about having fun...

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    31. ^ was supposed to be ^^
      and I actually do not want swastikas and I am not offended by USSR stars, I guess just standard flame war :)

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    32. @Kellomies:

      Where is difference? Dead stay dead - the end result is the same.

      In germany and german occupied countries in europe everything got organized and recorded in a typical german fashion, whereas in the USSR everthing went the "typical" USSR way. The end result is/was the same.

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    33. Well, the Chechens and Poles and whoever else Stalin felt like picking on for whatever spurious reason *still exist*; Uncle Joe had no principal reason to finish the job as it were - and his successors practiced less disastrous management techniques.

      That's the difference. The *survivors*. Had the Nazis had their way, there would be no living Jews or Gypsies anywhere they held sway and over nine-tenths or so of the "Slavic" population west of the Urals (or thereabouts, IIRC that was where they figured was a good line for the Reich's eastern border for the time being) would be plain dead. It was an article of faith for them.

      There's a world of difference between mass killings motivated by paranoid collective punishements and ones motivated by genocidal racial dogma when it comes to the victims' chances of survival, y'see. With the former it is always possible to somehow convince the prosecution of your loyalty or just hang on until policy changes.
      With the latter *having been born* is a capital offense.

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    34. ^ Thanks. You're already doing a great job in the forums putting some clarity in the bullshitted darkness, Kell. Keep it up, pal.

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    35. Kellomies - if orthodox Stalinists had their way, there would be no living descendant (at last direct) of members of classes other then "working one". There is totally no difference. And Stalin planed to make another "Holocaust" in order to get rid of USA spies, before attacking western allies. Fortunately he died before preparation finished. Read about it in The Gulag Archipelago, as well as about clearly racial atrocities he did managed to finish.

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    36. And you base that BS on what exactly? Do you even have any kind of idea what kind of demographic deficit the USSR had after WW2? They were almost literally short a whole *generation* of young men - I am told Russian gender distribution is still a bit skewed due to that - nevermind now the western "core regions" of the state being smoking ruins.

      Stalin wasn't going to attack anywhere anytime soon, nevermind now that such high-risk adventurism wasn't his style anyway. Kind of hard to see what exactly he'd have stood to gain from such a venture except an American nuke inna face, for that matter...

      Also still waiting for a list of ethnic groups Stalin wiped out, or even tried to. Given how ample time he had to finish the job on any such project one has to suspect he was never interested in the first place, his apparent unpleasant prejudices nonwithstanding.

      Also wondering if you even know what "Stalinism" -inasmuch it now can be considered a proper ideological school of thought in the first place- actually is, or the rather complicated background behind the eventual purging of "bourgeoise" in the Thirties...?

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    37. I perfectly now what does Stalinism mean. I'm not going to fall in ideological discussion, because my English skill may not allow me to do it easily enough. Here are some links to wikipedia, on some ethnic oriented atrocities of Bolsheviks:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Koreans_in_the_Soviet_Union
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin%27s_antisemitism

      Please note that I didn't list Katyn Massacre and others similar, so you may not argue about that being part of non-ethnic related paranoia.

      Also note, that Nazism did not have in its basic ideology slaughter of not want ethnic groups, it was just the simplest way for some officials. Some others would like deportations instead (famous one was Jews to Madagascar, but there was an idea to relocate them to East or even to Palestine as well), others were edger to limit genocide to smaller groups (like Rossenberg - the main ideologist of Nazism, who claimed that Slavs are Arians as well, so they don't need to be persecuted).

      Anyway, the main point is that both regimes persecutes people because of family background, the only difference is that Nazism looked at ethnics, and Bolshevism at classes of victims parents.

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    38. The Nazis had a major thing about an existential racial struggle as a core ideological tenet. Good luck finding anything of the sort in the various branches of Communism, Soviet or otherwise, because there's a world of difference between *biology* and *socioeconomic status*. (By the by I seem to recall there having been whole Cossack cavalry divisions in the Red Army during the war, so if that was a genocide it sure was half-assed.)
      Also please stop confusing Stalin's terror policies whose fundamental purpose was fortifying his own power position with the ideological basis of the Soviet state, nevermind now Communist political theory.

      By the by radical revolutionary regimes disposing of domestic troublemakers with extreme prejudice is nothing new or particularly surprising, especially if they're fighting for their very survival at the time; compare to the uncompromising brutality with which Revolutionary France crushed the Vendée and other such risings during its early years.

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    39. Sorry, I don't see a difference you mention. In III Reich having Jewish father was a crime, in Soviet Union having kulak, pop or capitalist father was a crime. One was persecuted in both cases for his family background. For me, as for mathematician those 2 cases are just isomorphic.

      Nazis would kill nearly all the Jews, Slavs and Gipsies, but Bolsheviks did kill nearly all intelligentsia, kulaks and other unwanted element.

      By the way, I don't treat Revolutionary France as example worth of following. One criminal state does not justify others.

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    40. ...except there's the *rather* major difference that socioeconomic status is something you can try to change; convince the authorities that you've reformed and turned your back on that bourgeois rot and whatever.
      Your biology? Not so much.

      Also ever heard of a little something called Generalplan Ost?

      I'm sure the French and any number of historians would be delighted to hear your characterisation of Revolutionary France as a "criminal state"... so does that also make the UK a criminal state given their savage response to the (partly French-encouraged) Irish revolt around the same time, or interwar Germany given the brutal suppression of Leftist revolts in the early Twenties? What about the Russian Whites then, given that they tried hard to at least match the Bolsheviks in savage and not terribly precise purges of "unwanted elements" during the Civil War? Or for that matter the Finnish Republic, given the brutal suppression of the defeated Reds during and after our own Civil War?

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    41. You can change your socio-economic status, but not the one of your parents. And in case of kulaks, the whole families were deported, no one asked children if they would reform. And Jews in III Reich - well some managed to convince Nazis that they are good Arians. Sure not often, but they were some Jews fighting in the Wehrmacht or even SS.

      I surely heard about Generalplan Ost. It decided what percentage of each population should be killed. That's just like Stalin and his Holodomor. Only difference was, that Nazis preferred direct methods.

      And about Revolutionary France, crushing rebels was not the only crime I'm talking about. I wonder how many French and historians prising it would actually like to live under its tyranny.

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  8. - when using a repair kit in game, the cost of that module repairs is not included in the final repair costs for the battle, SerB states that using repair kits is more expensive even for hightier tanks, he also states that while the price for module repairs is different for each module, repair kit is always more expensive

    i.e. damaged turret module costs 1000 credits to repair and if you want to repair it with repair kit, you will spend 1500 credits [ Selling price ].

    Is that what he wanted to say?




    - it's planned that when a burning tank drives into water, the water will extinguish the fire
    - 0.8.6: tier 10 arty plus British arty

    Great news!

    Can't wait to get rid of my high tier artillery which I save just for that occasion [ And as an extension for barracks lol ]

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    1. I suppose it means that no module repair cost is bigger than 3k(kit's buying price).

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    2. That is what is itching me.. is it the price of the kit which you buy or the selling price of it that counts for that fact..

      I might as well be in a better situation regarding repairs of the vehicle if I use a repair kit which I bought on action with 50% discount than if I leave it damaged and repair the whole vehicle later..

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  9. No four player platoons? is that confirmed?

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  10. what does alternative guns mean? is it means new guns?

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  11. Q: "SerB, what will you do with forum trolls?" A: "I'll go feed one"
    ....
    Sure, because SerB is Alpha-Troll :D

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  12. >Dicker Max doesn't have additional grousers equipment, because they are not needed
    Well, but they ARE needed. Fucking assclowns.

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    1. They are NOT needed... it would cause problems to kill it... Its not possible in great SSSR... :D

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    2. Honestly, who would put grousers on a Dickermax over either a Camo net, Binocs, Gun rammer or Gun Laying Drive.
      That's 4 peices of equipment that rank as being more important than grousers, and only 3 slots to fill.

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    3. No one would do it, it's a fucking TD, but the German teenagers playing this game like to whine whenever it's possible, they take pride in screaming anti-German bias and shit.

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    4. ^ This. SO MANY DAMN TIMES THIS.

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    5. What puzzles me about this topic is that it implies someone uses the Grousers (or would like to) in the first place...

      Mebbe it's just the particular German tankys I'm familiar with, but that device always struck me as terribly unnecessary.

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  13. - according to SerB, new re-worked maps don't have less cover from arty, their surface was leveled in order to allow better maneuvering


    More proof that WarGaming employs an unintelligent no-talent ass-clown who doesn't understand how his own game works as their head of public relations

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  14. History is written by the Victor. More Human deaths were caused by the USSR than by Fasciest Germany and it's allies. And before I get flamed for that comment the Americans did their best to comit genocide by iradicating the native american indians and then saying the "Europeans" did it.
    As I said History is written by the victor. All world powers are heinous monstrocities.

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    1. Hey wait a minute. We were going to use them as slaves but...you know....Africans, and the whole them fighting us back thing.

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  15. Difference was that under commies you could live OK as long as you talked only party line.
    Nazis wanted to kill you for what you were born - Jew, Gipsy, Slav or anyone else that was not Arian enough.
    I don't like commies, but difference is there, and it was huge.

    And I am always fascinated by dumbf**** who put SS symbols on anything other then history models. 9/10 of them woul not be even alive if Nazis had their way.

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    1. So, you're saying that Russia is okay against minorities?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
      Sending people to Siberia, which camps had similar survival rate as the German camps?
      Same shit, really. But the numbers were much higher on Russian side, so go figure.

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    2. The anti-Jewish pogroms in Imperial Russia were outbreaks of mob violence (how much a part, if any, the authorities played in inciting them is still debated), and the total death toll thereof amounted to a few thousands.

      Chump change.

      Also even the GULAG (nevermind now the decidedly less brutal earlier Imperial prisons) had much higher survival rates than the German camp system, for the rather simple and obvious reason that *extermination wasn't their purpose*. At the core they were penal labor camps, not death camps; if you survived the gross adminstrative neglect (not to mention outright incompetence), casual brutality and environment long enough you'd eventuall clear your sentence and walk away free.

      The only way out from the German camp system tended to be through the chimneys, so to speak. People were not supposed to survive it *even in theory*.

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    3. People get out of GULAG only because Stalin died. During his regime, each person who survived his sentence (I mean only political prisoners of course) got another 10 years to die there, just because Stalin didn't believe in "reeducation" of political prisoners, and every sentence they received was actually a capital sentence. They just want them die by overworking and poor diet, so they will be useful for the economy before they die. I don't think there were far more exceptions to this rule then in coming out of German concentration/death camps (one was "Amnesty" for Polish citizens in the Soviet Union).

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  16. Learn history, anonymous.
    Russia under Tzar was not same as USSR.
    Why do you think so many revolutionaries were Jewish or minority? They realized that they have a chance with commies as long got in official party line, as party did not really care who they were born, only what party line they talked.
    Again, I don't like commies, but their evil (at least in Europe) was way, way less then Nazis. Everyone claiming otherwise is either ignorant or of too much wishful thinking.

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