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Author: Awesomecaek/M1ll4n (Czech community, EU)
Let me sum up the soft stats. Direct comparison to IS-6.
The Chinese has:
Gunnery:
+ Better aiming time (3.1 vs 3.4)
+ Better accuracy on the move (0.21 vs 0.23)
+ Better turret traverse speed (26 vs 24)
+ Better standard AP shell movement speed (900m/s vs 790m/s)
+ Far superior premium shell - 300mm penetration HEAT vs 217mm penetration APCR
+ Higher shell capacity (45 vs 30)
- Whopping 0.3 seconds longer reload (12 seconds instead of 11.7 - whopping 117DPM drop)
- Whopping 3 degrees worse max elevation (+17 degrees instead of +20 degrees, depression stays the same).
Mobility:
+ Higher top speed (45km/h vs 35km/h)
- Slightly worse HP/ton ratio (12,69hp/ton vs 13.67hp/ton), however
+ Better braking force (46000 vs 39500), and
+ Much better terrain resistance (1/1.1/2.2 vs 1.2/1.5/2.3), so
Eventually, it's faster AND more agile than IS-6 everywhere except maybe softest surfaces
Miscellaneous:
+ Better view range (380m vs 350m)
+ Better radio range (who cares honestly)
+ Lower chance roll on immediate on-hit engine combustion (0.12 vs 0.15)
- Lower module health (Engine being the biggest difference, 260 vs IS-6s
370, other modules ~10% difference - 200hp ammoracks vs 220hp
ammoracks).
To this, add, the armor.
Frontally, the 112 has thicker upper glacis (120mm vs 100mm) with no
(90mm and 80mm) weakspots on it, unlike IS-6. It has significantly
weaker power glacis (80mm) and it's a viable weakspot, but it's small
and low placed.
The turret has 240mm thick front with 240mm thick mantlet, which has
150mm thick armor layered under most of it's thickness (so a big part of
the front of the turret is 390mm thick). IS-6's front turret is
entirely 150mm thick with two cupolas as well (albeit smaller). IS-6's
mantlet is 150mm thick, and has less overlap with the turret than the
112's mantlet.
All in all, 112 has significantly better frontal armor than IS-6.
Lastly, IS-6 has better side and back armor, all around 100mm, with some
good sloping, and with 30mm falseboard. 112 has 80mm all around with
less sloped space (which will still definitely ding something here and
there) and with less space covered with falseboard, along with 60mm
butt.
Now, let me point out IS-6 is currently statistically the best
performing tier 8 premium heavy, when player skill levels get taken into
account (noobmeter.com).
If they release this vehicle as it is, it will utterly dominate other
tier 8s, premiums or not. It has very few disadvantages over already
greatly successful IS-6, while boasting hefty advantages.
All we can do is pray that WG didn't skip their morning vodka and this
thing will receive a SERIOUS nerf, before it gets offered openly. I for
one think that it could still be good tank with 3,5RPM instead of it's
current 5RPM. That's how fucking good it looks like, so far.
If the 112 does get a full MM tier spread and has to face Tier 10 tanks, then it should be no problem in terms of balance.
ReplyDeleteI disagree. It will be useless team burden in tier 10s (or rely on purely HEAT ammo) and dominate tier 8s. That's not a good balance.
DeleteOh but a Indien-Panzer is usefull in T10 Matches, Im sick of this foolishness!
DeleteBecause indien panzer doesn't have 0.46 accuracy and 175mm penetration?
DeleteBasically, the penetration of stock ammo is the "tier key" for all vehicles, and the other stats have to be really exceptional to make the tank perform reasonably at tier where the penetration isn't sufficient.
And I am not really concerned about tier 10s facing a slightly hardier brawly Heavy premium. Problem is that this will turn all other tier 8s into mincemeat.
Actually all Tier VIII premiums never see Tier X battles and IS-6 has better MM even that as he almost never sees Tier IX
DeleteHere's something for reference, check the MM spread:
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics
Lowe, T34 and Mutant 6 does see tier 10.
DeleteType 59 and IS-6 have ''preferable'' MM, because they can't go into tier 10 games (unless in plotoon with vehicles that are viable for t10 game), and that's why they are powerfull...
DeleteI was thinking of buying the IS-6 when i get the money, but now, i'll probably just go for 112 instead :)
looks epic
but this gun accuracy freeking me out, same as KV-5 and with it i cant hit a barn from 100y...
ReplyDeleteThe moment I see 300pen.. I get the feeling "OP" :P
ReplyDeleteThe IS-6 is quite balanced. This tank is better than IS-6, and if it get lighter MM, like the IS-6... you can guess it.
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ReplyDeleteThey made this WZ 112, while they also have the WZ 111. Why they dont put that on sell?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, they were complaining about how they dont have enough heavies but now they pop out lie popcorn.
WG wants to keep the WZ-111 as an exclusive tank for the chinese server. This 112 will be very similar to the WZ-111, so it doesn't matter if they give us the WZ-111 in the future or not.
DeleteZee7
but you already have wz-111 in the game.
DeleteCan KT go at 45km/h? You are forgetting this tank is well armored while also the currently second fastest tier 8 heavy (the only faster being the French two heavies). Granted, not most agile, but still not sluggish either.
ReplyDeleteDoes KT have 250mm armor over most of it's turret, with significant part of it being 400mm thick?
Does KT have 390 alpha with 1950 DPM and 300 mm penetration?
the big question is does it have the special MM like IS6? If it meets tier 10s the overall winrate for that tank will be kept down (leading WG to assume its balanced) while it will be very OP in tier 8 and even 9 battles
ReplyDelete"Premium tanks have to be weaker than their normal counterparts."
ReplyDeleteMy ass...
Type 59 vs T-34-2 comes to mind...
DeleteWargaming - Definition of untrustworthy since 2011
Even with normal MM it wont be a problem, ask yourself how often you get in T10 games with your normal T8 tank. It has a 33% chance to meet a T10 tank. In the rest this tank will just purely rape anything.
ReplyDeleteI already hate the IS6 for its random armor that have no problems eating T9 tank shells like no tomorrow and the 112 has even better armor and more speed/agility.
As some already said, if this tank goes live with this stats its T59 all over again. A premium better then most of its normal counter parts.
Driving an IS6 with more than 2K DpB is no problem with a 20/7 (AP/APCR "only" 217mm pen) ammo load.
ReplyDeleteNow imagine this machine with 300mm HEAT pen - even in t10 matches it will have no problems surpassing other t8 heavies easily. In t8 battles it will rape everything.
Next T-59 incoming ...
The IS-6 is a decent moneymaker with mostly AP and a statpadding machine with mosty APCR... now exhange side/rear armour for better mobility and a tougher front and trade a bit of RoF for better soft stats and a HEAT round that autoaim-penetrates 95% of its targets and ypu have yourself a 112. -Platypusbill
ReplyDeleteCan anyone measure front glacis angle for 112?
ReplyDeleteI did a quick naked-eye guesstimate via gamemodels site and it seems it's placed at 66-67 deg (to my eye it seems slightly more angled than IS-6 and less than 113)
Assuming that it's placed at 65 like IS-6, by current system it's 240mm effective against AP and 284mm against HE.
This far surpasses KT's protection level and with bit of angling, will make life hard for tanks with 240mm class pen guns, which are T34, T28, E75, MAUS, Ferdinand, etc.
Anything below 240 pen is hopeless and should aim for small lower hull and tiny hatches, Unless target 112 driver suddenly wants to use its gun elevation and lowers its glacis angle.
If assume worst case scenario, which is 68 deg, making the glacis strength exactly same as tier 10 113, then it's 264mm effective against AP and 320 against HEAT.
Add to it 5 rof and 300mm goldpen... damn, it suddenly roflstomps tier 8s, ruins tier 9s, and presents a serious threat to tier 10s if it ever faces those.
And please bear in mind that Prem tanks, with prem account, can opt to sling mostly gold shells and easily earn 30000+ cred profits per game.
- CompanionCav (NA)
As an Is6 driver, i can definitely see hope in this tank, but the low side armor and weak engine is a powerful combination that can potentially cripple this tank, if i was to pick a platoon, i would still go 2 Is6 and 1 112, since the 300mm HEAT is better suited against things like E75.
ReplyDelete@Carbonward
ReplyDeleteAs written in the blog post, it has 1HP/T less but better terrain perfermance, so mobility will at least be similar to IS-6.
Side armor is angled better than IS-6, and the unangled side armor strip above track is reinforced with 30mm of spaced armor, so it's not so bad as it seems.
And as a bonus, it is not burdened with "shoulder armor" shape of IS-6 and turret is very thick unlike IS-6.
It just smells blatantly OP should it be introduced as is.
- CompanionCav (NA)
Weakside armor+ underplate combined with low engine healthpool means that in the chaotic brawl that is most tier 8 matches the 112 will most likely have its engine ruined at a noticeable rate, how often this will occur will define how OP this tank will become.
Deletebetter to hear this guy as his IS-6 has >90% win rate at random battle lol
DeleteLooking forward to this tank...any ETA on its possible release?
ReplyDelete-Bizolol, EU
I bought IS-6 yesterday and to be honest I feel screwed up already.
ReplyDeleteThis is basically an overbuffed clone of IS-6.
Well, as stated, what gamemodel site shows is nothing but weak side armor.
ReplyDeleteBut I concur at module health point. Never thought seriously about that.
- CompanionCav
Damn, wrong reply button...
DeleteAbove comment is a reply to carbonward.
- CompanionCav
This tank will surly have horrible shot dispersion. Otherwise WG would not give it the HEAT rounds.
ReplyDeletenever compare HEAT and APCR penetration. I like APCR more than HEAT
ReplyDeleteI like ~300 mm pen more, than ~217.
DeleteYeah, but HEAT penetration mechanics are getting nerfed. And HEAT doesn't normalize, ever. But yes, I like the HEAT over the APCR in this case.
DeleteLets all buy this tank and make hordes of OP tanks.
ReplyDeleteWhen does the 112 come out? 8.7 is when they said it was...
ReplyDeleteTHIS is just trading skills kids, they put OP premium out, sell it, and after make it low again, thats what they do everytime, ppl should sue them, its ilegal, its same with type 59, super pershing etc, everybody knows that!
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