T57: Penetration: 258/340/60
T110E5: Penetration: 258/340/60
Patton mk3: Penetration: 268/330/53
T110E4: no pen changes
T-62A: Penetration: 264/330/50
IS-7: Penetration:250/303/68 AP nerf? weird
IS-4: Penetration: 258/340/68
Object 268: no pen changes
Object 263 no pen changes
Maus: no pen changes
E-100: no pen changes
E-50M: Penetration:270/330/60
Leopard 1: Penetration:268/330/53
Jpz E-100: no pen changes
AMX 50B: Penetration:257/325/65 yes AP nerf as well
Batchat: Penetration:259/330/53
Foch 155: no pen changes
FV4202: no pen changes
FV215b: Penetration: 259/326/120 yes AP nerf as well
FV215b 183: no pen changes
121: Penetration: 258/340/68 yes ap nerf as well
113: Penetration: 249/340/68
IS-2: no pen changes
So, to sum it up: it looks like APCR and HEAT has been nerfed for all tier 10 meds and heavies (except for German heavies) by roughly 20, and AP for those who had more then 250 pen by 10.
Another comment from ApplesauceBandit (US server) (thanks for letting me use that 3dmodels account, mate):
non-Chinese tier 10 meds: now 330mm pen
American 120mm guns: now 340mm pen
American 105mm derp: now 101.6mm pen
American 75mm derp: now 91.4mm pen
USSR 76mm derp: now 75mm pen (you may as well just use AP in it at this point)
USSR 122mm derp: now 140mm pen
USSR 152mm TD: now 250mm pen (buffed!)
USSR M62 122mm gun: now 340 pen
German 75mm derp: now 87mm pen
German 105mm derp: now 104mm pen
French 75mm derp: now 91.4mm pen
British 120mm APCR got nerfed to 326mm pen
French 120mm APCR got nerfed to 325mm pen
Chinese 130mm and big 122mm (not the USSR copy): now 340mm pen
American 120mm guns: now 340mm pen
American 105mm derp: now 101.6mm pen
American 75mm derp: now 91.4mm pen
USSR 76mm derp: now 75mm pen (you may as well just use AP in it at this point)
USSR 122mm derp: now 140mm pen
USSR 152mm TD: now 250mm pen (buffed!)
USSR M62 122mm gun: now 340 pen
German 75mm derp: now 87mm pen
German 105mm derp: now 104mm pen
French 75mm derp: now 91.4mm pen
British 120mm APCR got nerfed to 326mm pen
French 120mm APCR got nerfed to 325mm pen
Chinese 130mm and big 122mm (not the USSR copy): now 340mm pen
Do note that I never checked for changes in damage or RoF. They were the same on the Panzer IV with the 105, but I don't want to check everything else. Also, this may not be everything as it looks like some APCR is getting nerfed too.
They nerfed T57 and T110E5 AP too... (it was 269 before)
ReplyDeleteAwesome post, but it might be less confusing if you posted the previus penetration values to the new ones.
ReplyDeleteSo basically now mediums get higher penetration guns than heavy tanks?...
ReplyDelete"KV-2 now has 2 different AP rounds, with the new one being a 136mm pen AP round"
ReplyDeletewhat does it mean? 136mm rounds in 150mm cannon?
oh my bad, its 136mm pen, lol :D
DeleteBecause the 50B totally needed a nerf.
ReplyDelete~Mick42.
looks like they are trying to standardize most of the end tier guns.
ReplyDeleteand depending on how the algorithms for shell normalization work this may be a bad thing, or a good thing. (im thinking good over all, but then no more is-4 penning anywhere on anything (well almost)
Nice to see large changes to the standard of tier 10 guns. Basically, this is also A BUFF TO ARMOR, especially the "under gunned" tier 10 German heavies
ReplyDeletelike is-7 was so OP that it needed AP shell pen nerf... >_>
ReplyDeleteAnyone else suspect a normalization algorithm change?
ReplyDeleteWe already know the current calculation is off. The sloped armor should be more efficient. It could be an efficient way to buff heavy tanks without messing around with stats too much.
what the hell really ... Why in the world would they nerf 50B and IS7 ...
ReplyDeleteActually, the 50B didn't have any problems with penning at all. Never. (Good ACC and pen, especially when close).
DeleteHowever, armor was bad. So actually this is a buff to 50B.
Also rather than increasing armor on all tanks, this is a nice way to make armor more important, since they also nerfed gold pen by at least 20mm for most shells.
Actually IMO this will only make even more premium ammo in game. Armor is not going to be more important. It's a way to make cash more important :/.
DeleteIs it known if the T-54 received AP and HEAT nerfs awell?
ReplyDeleteWell absolutly no need to Buff Maus/E-100, nerf any other tanks instead.
ReplyDeleteIt would've probably been a better choice to buff the E-100/Maus then nerfing all the other guns...
ReplyDeletee100/Mous deserve pen close to others t10 but you are right nerf the rest is lame :) way change 30 things insted of 1 :)
Deletebecause the problems is not that maus or E-100 are bad, the problem was, that they added to many high pen guns that made them more or less obsolete.
Deleteon normal ap they still can bounce alot but after loding gold Mous end E100 die like been made out of paper so it's not the guns its the gold ammo just my opinion :)
Deletemmm......is7 pen nerf.....right, that was VERY needed
ReplyDeletewell, I guess I'll just keep rolling with su-152....funny how now IS-7 has the shittiest penetration right after the german's heavies.....
ReplyDeletewhat's whit is7(and other tanks) AP nerf gold shels need nerf not normal AP this is ....... onother way to mess whit players on t10 guys using mostly gold so 20 pen nerf is a joke realy . My opinion is that for a game balance golds must have no more then 30-40 pen more tnen regular ammo and its all gonna be fine we all know that the game is geting less and less historycal :)
ReplyDeleteSo now mediums will have more penetration than heavies and almost same damage... yeah, makes sense for me... (from gameplay, not historical point of view) or maybe not... WUT? Aren't mediums meant to actually FLANK opponents and use their MOBILITY not to stay and exchange hits with heavies?
ReplyDeleteUSSR 152mm TD: now 250mm pen (buffed!)
ReplyDeleteIf this refers to the standard derp this is an insane buff, however if it refers to the 152mm BL10 it was infact nerfed from 286mm pen to 250mm pen, which seems more likely?
It is probably the short 152mm of both SU-152 and ISU-152. (stock guns on both vehicles)
ReplyDelete250mm pen gun with 750 damage at tier 7? Can't be!
DeleteI think it's the gold ammo for the short derps of SU and ISU, so its not that big of a deal, think about chinese at tier 7.....300 pen on IS2
Deletelooks like im gonna earn some money by selling IS 7 [actually worst tier X when those info gets confirmed). NOob WG makes me sick with those nerfs. I guess new tanks are coming , thats why they doing this.. MEH!
ReplyDeleteNerf APs to death (especially IS-7 is just LoL) -> all noobs use gold -> more money for greedy WG. Pay to win at it's finest.
ReplyDeleteor u as a noob could learn to aim...
DeleteIt's time to change the hobby :P
ReplyDeletewith arty nerf
ReplyDeleteE3, T95 will be GOD!!
i didnt bothered checking those since they use the same guns, so obviously they get the same nerf
DeleteAm I dreaming? This is amazing news. Arty nerf combined with penetration nerf might be enough to make Maus playable again, at the very least it will make it much more pleasant to drive.
ReplyDelete^^ this, the problem was always the tier 10 high penetration guns and not the Maus or E100 with poor penetration.
DeleteStill, no gold ammo in WOT would be even better for all. gold shells are a "press to win button", not needed at all.
Henriques (EU)
Олени хуевы, по русски пишите блядь!!!!111расрасрас
ReplyDeleteOh look, Russian bias at its finest! Nerf everything but the Kraut heavies FTW!
ReplyDeleteNever go full retard....should they nerf E-100 to 200mm pen maybe from shitty 235mm? Stfu you and all cunts that QQ about IS-7 nerf....
DeleteSo german noobs are allowed to cry russian bias as soon as serb or storm write anything, but he's not allowed to make fun out of german noobs stupidity?
DeleteOk, IS-7 got penetration nerfed by 10... such a tragedy... But wait, everything else penetration was also nerfed, so it will be harder to pierce IS-7 - it's armor gain in importance. Same goes for Maus, and E-100.
ReplyDeleteno armor can match with gold shelss.. and thats what its all about.. - "low pen? cant deal dmg ? here.. take some gold and problems goes away..."
DeleteBut gold penetration will be no longer 350, but 325. Many times i heard, that IS-7 is obsolete, cause 350mm pen can pierce it's armor easly, and also it's 300mm penetration on APCR is too low compared to 350APCR or 380-400HEAT. Same goes for E-100 and Maus. Now penetration of gold is reduced, so armor is harder to penetrate - also difference between gold penetration of IS-7/Maus/E-100 and the rest of X tiers are now reduced.
DeletePS - even now i think that it's a LOT easier to pierce FV215b, AMX 50B, IS-4 or T57 with 250mm penetration than IS-7 even with 350mm penetration. Especially sides :P
thing is, theyre much better damage dealers than lousy is 7, which its main use is to die first in a cw battles...
DeleteI am happy that WG solved problem of leaks from supertest firing all EU supertesters. Now there is no leaks at all.
ReplyDeleteAnd now seriously.
After those huge amount of leaks in last days it is obvious, how stupid and biased can be sometimes guys in Minsk.
I wasn't supertester, but in my opinion decision to fire all EU supertesters was megaretarted. Now I have proof. Sadly, WG showed that they do not deserve to be treated with respect.
FUCK DA GOLD AMMOS!, I LOVE YOU!!!! YOU MADE MY DAY!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.allmystery.de/i/tb078f5_GrumpyCatGood.jpg
ReplyDeleteLol so the heavies got less pen, RoF, mobility, slightly better HP and armour than their medium counterparts...
ReplyDeleteWell the meds are even closer to be WoT's MBT's after 8.6 goes live :P
-Joa
Yea i agree, meds also need 10mm less pene. The idea of meds with no problems to penetrate a heavy from the front is just wrong.
DeleteI remember T9 meds at top... and they wreck havoc. With increased pen from 220->265 and with gold... even more. How is that balanced anymore with faster and more hp on them...
DeleteWell, like I can complain. I rarely take heavies out anymore, meds do the same job anyhow, better. Unless tanking it in the streets...
Is there any explanation as to why the 121's gun has more pen, faster ROF and better stats than the 113's? And now with the nerf, all the mediums have better AP pen than their tier X neighbor heavies? What the hell?
ReplyDeleteWell there is one explantion tier 10 meds shoot APCR as regular ammo while these nerfed heavies shoot AP as regular ammo.
DeleteMedium Tier 9 and 10 tanks, are the only way to play in the current situation.
ReplyDeleteArty blasts slow moving heavies in 1 or 2 shots at least with a med you can move around.
It seems the only way to play world of arty at the moment.
Since the arty problem began i have unlocked zero heavy tanks. and 4 meds.
At least then arty players need to have moderate amount of skill to get you then.
So they nerf the IS-4 Pen from 268 to 258 but IS-8 had still 268 Pen? Seems legit WG.
ReplyDeleteIS-8 and ST-1 have same gun as IS-4.
DeleteI could agree to this nerf but WHY THE HELL IS-7? And why only HT guns? Why HT would have to flank the maus together with meds? They've should nerf all...
ReplyDeleteWell it doesnt make over 700 damage or does it?
ReplyDeleteBut better question - so far KV-2 and SU-152 derps share same ammos, does it mean now they create new gold ammo spammer?
FUC* THİS GAME because this game very very BAD
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