I can't believe anyone can be suprised by this. they said a panther with a 2801 turret. we got a panther with a 2801 turret. a half ass'd attempt by WG, but an expected one.
If you look, the turret of the Pz4 is extremely similar to the turret of the VK2801 (the single difference is the rack behind the turret), so on a certain way it will be a kind of PzV-IV (as the Pz4 can get the 105mm gun)
Can't be neither even those pic about the characteristic of it is ture, just too BIG for that. I believe it gonna be a hybrid of scout-killer and flanker/sniper, depends on you are using derp gun or konisch.
This is gonna be a ridiculous tank. Light tank with med's hull, or a med with light tanks turret? :> I'm not afraid about the mobility, the screens showed 900hp for 40 tons, this baby's gonna roll nice, but I won't feel comfortable in a LIGHT TANK that is visible from the fking orbit.
Oversized. Light camo factor? Not likely, this shit is huge! And the funniest part is not the size of the tank, its the size of commanders cupola, that is just silly.
Not like you have to aim for weak spots on a light tank, because anything penetrates them anywhere - especially with a silhouette this huge. Probably it will be a good rammer but other than that... it doesn't have the stealthy profile of great scouts (Chinese, French) so it will probably be a bush wookie.
Oh and BTW camo factors are all made up and hand-picked, so in theory they can give it a really good camo factor despite its size - just because they can and "In Soviet Russia you don't defy logic, the logic defies you".
I'm so going to research this... thing. Depending on what gun it will have (except that derp. I'm not playing my meds/lights with derp guns) it will be a funny tank.
Anyone here play the Panther IV/V? It was absolutely terrible. This is a Panther IV/V that gets in to higher tier matches and has even less firepower. You don't miss shots when firing on a Panther. This will be en epic failure. Imagine a T-50-2 that is twice as big and more visible. Just.... dumb.
I play. And V/IV is really funny and cool tank. Yes, it has zero gun depression and sight of a mole, but its a very agile tank. Already plays like troll light.
And Auf Panther will be like V/IV on steroids, and i really look forward to this tank.
Pz V/IV IS a brick, Sono was talking about the Aufklärungspanther (AufP).
There are MANY more differences between PzV/VI and AufP, making the two difficult to compare: - view range - track traverse - gun (apparently, konisch is buffed in 8.5: 165 dmg for standard rounds too, set off by a slight decrease in penetration) - tank class (AufP has no camo loss while moving and the camo factor is not known yet) - ...
So stop whining before you even tried the thing...
1st april is coming and here is the answer from WG for german light tanks. Panthers hull is pretty big, then a small turret that looks tiny on this tank with a huge commander cupola and for sure the "konische" wont be a great success, since the camo factor for this tank should be pretty bad if you just see the hull size of it.
If they wont show us a decent tier 8 light there is no reason to grind german lights !
About the cupola: It is the in-game cupola of the Panther Ausführung G (the stock panther). As for a LT, it would make sense, that he would have a cupola which gives the little extra view range. What makes the Panther cupola so big looking? It is the turret, the VK 28.01 K turret is just so small, that it looks like a tumor on it.
As for the tank. I think the L/58 is to powerful. Here I said it. In comparison with the L/70 it has way to good stats. The accuracy is with 0.34 better as the L/70 0.35; damage and penetration is also better on the konisch. What would be its draw back? So far nothing. From the DPS, it outclass every other tier VII LT with 1980, which is way more as any other LT (see chart: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/141263-suggestion-tier-vii-german-light-tank/). It out DPM the PzV/M10 (1799), the Panther (1687) and most of ties with the T-43 (1999). Which has this a one of the only pros on his side.
So my 50 cents would be, lower the ROF, and get the accuracy down to 0.35 or less. The tank is from his stats actually really good in this armament department, as well as in the protection area; what is for me the no go is the gun depression. As my play style needs some gun depression.
So the tank, is actually a little OP; more over if you look at the gold ammo. Sad thing, I could imagine, that some will running it with poor gold ammo (maybe WGs plan?). With gold, and the 105 or the konisch will this tank be OP. At lest the konisch doesnt get a damage bonus with the gold ammo.
Staufen, you are thinking this will only be fighting other light tanks. A scout with no ability to hide that is as big as a house will not work. It will be destroyed the second it tires to scout anywhere near the enemy. You don't miss hitting a full sized Panther.
It'll be far from op, the konisch is nice yes, when facing mainly tiers 5-8, but when facing tier 9-10s even with golds 225mm pen it still wont be enough, so youll mainly be bouncing with this thing.
It'll only be effective flanking and distracting because of the low damage, even with the high rate of fire it wont do much, combine with the fact that the tank is quite large for a scout with armour that tier 5s can pen facing tier 9-10s, this thing will have to sit behind the heavies sniping to be effective,
I can also see this been easily outmaneuvered by other scouts and will find it hard to hit them because of poor gun depression, itll be like T-54.T-62 side scrapping a Maus, this will be the kind of tank that only really good players will be able to make work.
I have compare it to the other lights, because it is a LT; but as you can see I also compare it to the mediums. As it now it is better as the Panthers L/70 (of course better as the PzV/M10, as premiums are always a litte worse) and the T-43. So if you a T-43, you lose the camo on the move factor, the accuracy department plus DPS is a tie, armor is better on the AP and had has a greater mobility.
I DONT SAY THAT THIS TANK IS GOOD. I SAY IT STATS ARE GOOD. What does this fine difference mean? It means, that has the potential to be OP, moreover with gold ammo; which ridiculous.
About: "It'll be far from op, the konisch is nice yes, when facing mainly tiers 5-8, but when facing tier 9-10s even with golds 225mm pen it still wont be enough, so youll mainly be bouncing with this thing."
This is the case also with the other LT of his tier; thats why I have compare them. So it is for me not a argument, that the tank hasnt a higher/or the same pen as a tier X medium, as it isnt a tier X medium. It has a role on the battlefield, which more or less the other of his kind also have. Which means he has to be in balance with his other LT and MT brothers.
are you serious the other light tanks of the same tier are better in almost all ways, hmm lets see
T71, smaller(looks to have much better camo value then aufpanther till we know otherwise) almost as the same pen and damage with gold, autoloader, very good view range, very agile.
AMX13/75, smaller (again prob better camo value the aufpanther), pen not much less then and damage, autoloader, good view range, very agile.
WZ-131 smaller (agin prob better camo value then aufpanther), best pen and damage for tier 7 light using gold ammo, agile and very stronge turret.
aufpanther, big making easy to fit and hard to side scrap big tanks and impossible to do with low small tanks, prob will be slowest of all tier 7 lights, maybe bad camo value, will rely to much on gold to be effective itll prob loose one on one with other lights so balanced id be very surprised if it was truly balance
i wasnt saying it was a tier 10 or equivilant what im saying is the gun isnt good enough at tier 10 combined with a big as tank, means itll will prob suffer far more then other lights.
Do we now cheer pick stats? See, have I said something about the size? No. I have talk about the numbers (and the size isnt a number in the tank details). So again. From the stats is he better, but does it makes him a better tank? No. For example look at the IS-6, stats wise the horror, but not ingame. For example see Jingels lates review on this tank on youtube. So again. I repeat myself often, IT HAS GOOD STATS. But it doesnt mean I SAY, it is a good tank. See the different?
Secondly about your cherry picking of stats: About:"AMX13/75, smaller (again prob better camo value the aufpanther), pen not much less then and damage, autoloader, good view range, very agile."
"pen not much less?" The pen is ridic in comparison 144/202 to 157/221 of the AMX. Another point, if you dont mind if I now also cherry pick: The AMX has way less power to weight ratio: 19,7 to 22 for the AP. Also the hull traverse is 40 on the AMX and 44 on the AP.
About "WZ-131 smaller (agin prob better camo value then aufpanther), best pen and damage for tier 7 light using gold ammo, agile and very stronge turret." The turret is 45/35/20mm. Is this for you a VERY strong turret?
About: "i wasnt saying it was a tier 10 or equivilant what im saying is the gun isnt good enough at tier 10 combined with a big as tank, means itll will prob suffer far more then other lights."
As the other LTs and MEDIUMS too; thats the point. Why should he better as the others? Because this thing is huge or has no gun depression? If the answer is yes, I will show you some other tanks wioth no depression and bigger size. Secondly, If you face hug a enemy higher tier tank, or ask for even higher pen or DPM as 1990; I dont know what I have to tell. I think you make, then a big mistake in driveing your LTs and MTs.
* This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check) * This tank, as I also said before has no gun depression.... (makes a John Stewart check) * This tank, as I also said before has GOOD STATS.... (makes a John Stewart check)
Those it means it is a good tank? Maybe Yes, maybe No. But gold will bring this tank in the "Yes corner".
It is still the wrong Ausführung G hull on this thing. It should be or lets say.... If this thing would be made 42 (and wasnt trashed); it would have the D hull or A hull.
why the hell r u bring MT into this, this tank has nothing to do with them, were talking about a light tank, and scraping along side a tank bigger then u is a viable tactic thank you and have used it and seen it used to great effect either you dont play lights urself or are the kind of player that sits in a corner all game with their lights.
Oh and to the WZ-131, why dont you eat your own words about stats mate, on paper is thin but actually its shape makes it very effective and iv seen that turret bounce tier 10 guns thank you.
Sorry to say but size does have a factor, bigger the tank easier to hit, so regardless of how agile the AP maybe it size will still bring it down, which is why the other tier 7 lights do so well, harder to hit easier to hide.
Gold will not bring this into the yes corner, when again its size will let it down flanking is very hard in this game and this tank will be spotted(unless the devs giv it a good camo factor) before other lights.
Sorry to say your argument is mute, having the konisch will not make it any better then without it and to be honest the 105 will be a far more effective weapon as itll damage regardless of no pens, which is better then a gun which will potentially bounce almost every shot.
According the supertest the only good thing about this tank is its ability to ram other lights to death, which to me doesnt sound like a very effective tank if thats the only good thing then weres the konisch, i know because its not that effective when youll be facing mostly tier 10s,
sorry but this will prob be a fail tank, regardless of the amount of gold.
Ill eat my own words if its good, but i can not see it been so when other tier 7 lights are better.
AGAIN ILL REPEAT SIZE DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. (maybe youve been a bit blind but the most effective scouts have been small notice that SMALL, not freaking huge like the AP is.
You say "maybe it's not for scouting" - so what for it is? For pure DPM? Then take VK2801, it has ~3300 DPM with 150 pen on gold and is smaller, faster and one tier lower.
As I see you havent still read my comment my friend. * This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check)
Secondly I play LTs see my stats. Thirdly, you still dont get it or? See the DPM of the WZ is 1600. Now, see the different? By a accuracy of 0.39? See the different?
And next...About: ", i know because its not that effective when youll be facing mostly tier 10s, " As the other tank guns. Do you still dont understand this? And this should be the goal my friend. That this tank is in balance with its other tanks. AS I SAID EARLIER. Next point.... as I ALSO SAID, SIZE ISNT A STATS. Thats why I skiped your incoherent rambling about the size. And I can repeat myself all day long:
* This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check) * This tank, as I also said before has no gun depression.... (makes a John Stewart check) * This tank, as I also said before has GOOD STATS.... (makes a John Stewart check)
P.S. I have my own opinion about Howitzers and the 105 on the VK. And yes I have told also Tazilion :). As for me, this gun shouldnt be on the VK or the AP; alos its gold ammo should be nerfed to the dead. The same counts for the konisch on the AP. You cant have it all sorry dude. * A gun which never misses? 0.34 Best on tier 7. * And does more alpha then any other 75mm gun? AMX=135, L/70=135, T-71=150. * Why higher DPM as any other tank, even top DPM next to the T-43? Where the WZ has just 1612. So long story short. WG has ones nerfed the E-50M as it had the same DPM as any other tier X med, but do its accuracy it never missed; so that the damage on target was higher; in the same time of course thru the same DPM was the potential damage at least the same for ALL. But for WG, SerB, wasnt it a argument that the other tanks could make potential the same damage/DPM as the E50M. So they nerfed the DPM. And thats the point you dont get. If I understand you right, you have not a problem that this gun is the most accurate by miles and in the same time has highest DMP? Lets look at the WZ again: 1612 DPM, by a accuracy of 0.39. Which is fair by me, it has as trade off for the low DPM and accuracy a good alpha of 250. That is balance. But to have it all isnt and thats my point. The aplha is the highest for a 75-76mm gun + best accuracy of a 75mm gun (not counting the L/100 of the panther) + highest DPM (next to the T-43). Those arent bad numbers, even very good. The same counts for other NUMBERS in his stats. BUT I REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN. DOES IT MEAN IT IS A GOOD TANK? Maybe yes, maybe no. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS: STATS ARE GOOD.
Staufen you do realise no matter how good it's stats are it still will get seen from afar? Plus it gets bad MM which prevents it from being "OP". Also, derp on 2801 is the only thing that makes it good anymore.Remove that on VK and A panther, you get a smellier POS.
On the screens from yesterday with the specs, it wasnt clear what the viewrange for this POS will be. Do you have any info on that and will it have 2 turrets?
Why i am palying WT. There is no this kinf of fucking moronic tanks @ here. Where is the real tanks like nashorn marder 3? They continue adding this kind of shit to game. Ofc my wg wasted my money on stupit third grade copy of WT and Cyprus banks...
WT is a totaly different game...and it sucks hard...it's too easy die and kill someone it's an achivment, new money system sucks even you pay,like wot no help to learn how to play proprely every plane...
Aside that i doubt that this will work gameplay wise. what really pisses me off is the kind of attitude wg is showing by bringing such a tank. they obviously dont give a shit about german tanks. They show zero effort and enthusiasm in creating an interesting, historical and fun-to play german t7 light. no, they just put some models already used together and create( recycle)- in my opinion- the most lame tank in the game. If u look at SS article about the aufkl.Panther, u see what it could have been. It could have been a unique tank based on an interesting historical concept. What do we get? Some Frankenstein tank...Its like letting the cleaning lady modelling german tanks is the most dedication towards german tanks we can expect from wg...
Dafuq are you on about? What's up there is basically exactly what the historical concept *was* - a Panther hull with a teeny-weeny turret scavenged from a light-tank project on it.
Dunno WTF they were smnoking when they came up with that scheme, but the fact nothing came out of it says something about how workable the military thought it.
what really pisses me off is the kind of attitude the wehrmacht is showing by bringing such a tank.
They show zero effort and enthusiasm in creating an interesting, historical and fun-to play german t7 light. no, they just put some models already used together and create( recycle)- in my opinion- the most lame tank in the war.
is it wg's fault the germans wanted to have a scout based on the panther?
i ll just hope tier 8 light tank worth the effort,if not bye bye german light tanks.i have seen some pictures of RU but i dont know the size of it.if it is big like this i ll stay to T71,sell vk2801=1 garage slot more:-)
It's not WG's fault that Nazi really wanted to use the Panther as a recon tank, "blame this on the misfortune of your Germanic birth" (no one will get this reference, I'm sure of it).
Char: "Hey, Garma! Do you read me? Blame this on the misfortune of your birth!" Garma: "What?! Misfortune?!" Char: "You were indeed a good friend to me. Don't take it personally; you can thank your father for this." Garma: "You've double-crossed me, Char?!"
Too bad, no screen with the konisch. :/
ReplyDeletebut even that turret looks ridiculous :D
Looks like a larger version of the VK2801.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe anyone can be suprised by this.
Deletethey said a panther with a 2801 turret.
we got a panther with a 2801 turret.
a half ass'd attempt by WG, but an expected one.
i rub my eyes, it's my Vk2801 or what?
Deleteso they nerf vk2801 just bring a higher tier look alike
and i suppose to play this one?
WG is a whore company, i dream of the day when the first competitor comes out with beta, i sell my account on ebay in 10 seconds.
Hackers of the World, destroy them Aman.
just looks ridiculous
ReplyDeleteActually looks like a Pz V-IV:
ReplyDeletehttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y2JbkFv7Ang/TahgbwfaljI/AAAAAAAAAf0/8T45nGh452s/s1600/A_3.JPG
Indeed. Also my first thought
DeleteIf you look, the turret of the Pz4 is extremely similar to the turret of the VK2801 (the single difference is the rack behind the turret), so on a certain way it will be a kind of PzV-IV (as the Pz4 can get the 105mm gun)
DeleteThe problem is PzIV/IV is considered a tier 6 medium (and a bad one at that), and this is a tier 7 light.
DeleteI don't see why anyone would want this tank ever
This reminds me of a body builder with a huge body and a tiny head.
ReplyDeleteAufklarungspanzer Phanter will be a Light tank (Scout tank) right? then it will be a passive scout or active scout?
ReplyDeleteCan't be neither even those pic about the characteristic of it is ture, just too BIG for that.
DeleteI believe it gonna be a hybrid of scout-killer and flanker/sniper, depends on you are using derp gun or konisch.
This is gonna be a ridiculous tank. Light tank with med's hull, or a med with light tanks turret? :> I'm not afraid about the mobility, the screens showed 900hp for 40 tons, this baby's gonna roll nice, but I won't feel comfortable in a LIGHT TANK that is visible from the fking orbit.
ReplyDeleteOversized.
ReplyDeleteLight camo factor? Not likely, this shit is huge!
And the funniest part is not the size of the tank, its the size of commanders cupola, that is just silly.
It's basicially screaming "hit me! hit me!"
DeleteI hope it gets a good view range for this.
Not like you have to aim for weak spots on a light tank, because anything penetrates them anywhere - especially with a silhouette this huge. Probably it will be a good rammer but other than that... it doesn't have the stealthy profile of great scouts (Chinese, French) so it will probably be a bush wookie.
DeleteOh and BTW camo factors are all made up and hand-picked, so in theory they can give it a really good camo factor despite its size - just because they can and "In Soviet Russia you don't defy logic, the logic defies you".
DeleteI'm so going to research this... thing. Depending on what gun it will have (except that derp. I'm not playing my meds/lights with derp guns) it will be a funny tank.
ReplyDeleteAnyone here play the Panther IV/V? It was absolutely terrible. This is a Panther IV/V that gets in to higher tier matches and has even less firepower. You don't miss shots when firing on a Panther. This will be en epic failure. Imagine a T-50-2 that is twice as big and more visible. Just.... dumb.
ReplyDeleteI play. And V/IV is really funny and cool tank. Yes, it has zero gun depression and sight of a mole, but its a very agile tank. Already plays like troll light.
DeleteAnd Auf Panther will be like V/IV on steroids, and i really look forward to this tank.
Konisch + agility = terror.
The V/IV agile??? It turns like a brick.
DeletePz V/IV IS a brick, Sono was talking about the Aufklärungspanther (AufP).
DeleteThere are MANY more differences between PzV/VI and AufP, making the two difficult to compare:
- view range
- track traverse
- gun (apparently, konisch is buffed in 8.5: 165 dmg for standard rounds too, set off by a slight decrease in penetration)
- tank class (AufP has no camo loss while moving and the camo factor is not known yet)
- ...
So stop whining before you even tried the thing...
konish is not buffed for me..
Deleteproblably they put apcr round frov vk 1602 as standard ammo and introduce a new one type shell for gold...i dont think vk 3601 will have a buff...
Even little amx'es can get hit nicely. How is this POS going to scout more than a few meters ? even a derp gun can intercept this.
ReplyDeleteObviously no Power Creep for german Tanks...
ReplyDelete1st april is coming and here is the answer from WG for german light tanks. Panthers hull is pretty big, then a small turret that looks tiny on this tank with a huge commander cupola and for sure the "konische" wont be a great success, since the camo factor for this tank should be pretty bad if you just see the hull size of it.
ReplyDeleteIf they wont show us a decent tier 8 light there is no reason to grind german lights !
That cupola is massive!
ReplyDeleteLOL tier 7 medium with the turret & gun of a tier 5 tank! GG WG!!!
ReplyDeleteThis tank has got epic fail written all over it.
Total of 0 hours and 0 minutes were spent in modeling that tank.
ReplyDeleteNope. Ten minutes making the cupola bigger!
DeleteTotal of 0 hours and 0 minutes that Im going spend in this shit
DeleteHello SS,
ReplyDeletewas the Aufklärungspanzer Panther a real project or has WG
problems to find german light tanks?
http://ftr-wot.blogspot.cz/2013/02/aufklarungspanzer-panther-tier-7-lt.html
DeleteAnd who's getting banned for those pics? Can't be roider, you can't ban the banned! He was a cool guy, I'll miss him.
ReplyDeleteWhy banned? Those pictures are official.
DeleteThat's comforting.
Deletewg wanted a pre-test shit storm?
DeleteAbout the cupola:
ReplyDeleteIt is the in-game cupola of the Panther Ausführung G (the stock panther). As for a LT, it would make sense, that he would have a cupola which gives the little extra view range. What makes the Panther cupola so big looking? It is the turret, the VK 28.01 K turret is just so small, that it looks like a tumor on it.
As for the tank. I think the L/58 is to powerful. Here I said it. In comparison with the L/70 it has way to good stats. The accuracy is with 0.34 better as the L/70 0.35; damage and penetration is also better on the konisch. What would be its draw back? So far nothing. From the DPS, it outclass every other tier VII LT with 1980, which is way more as any other LT (see chart: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/141263-suggestion-tier-vii-german-light-tank/). It out DPM the PzV/M10 (1799), the Panther (1687) and most of ties with the T-43 (1999). Which has this a one of the only pros on his side.
So my 50 cents would be, lower the ROF, and get the accuracy down to 0.35 or less. The tank is from his stats actually really good in this armament department, as well as in the protection area; what is for me the no go is the gun depression. As my play style needs some gun depression.
So the tank, is actually a little OP; more over if you look at the gold ammo. Sad thing, I could imagine, that some will running it with poor gold ammo (maybe WGs plan?). With gold, and the 105 or the konisch will this tank be OP. At lest the konisch doesnt get a damage bonus with the gold ammo.
Your
Staufen
Staufen, you are thinking this will only be fighting other light tanks. A scout with no ability to hide that is as big as a house will not work. It will be destroyed the second it tires to scout anywhere near the enemy. You don't miss hitting a full sized Panther.
Deleteand why do you think that the all lights made for scouting?
DeleteIt'll be far from op, the konisch is nice yes, when facing mainly tiers 5-8, but when facing tier 9-10s even with golds 225mm pen it still wont be enough, so youll mainly be bouncing with this thing.
DeleteIt'll only be effective flanking and distracting because of the low damage, even with the high rate of fire it wont do much, combine with the fact that the tank is quite large for a scout with armour that tier 5s can pen facing tier 9-10s, this thing will have to sit behind the heavies sniping to be effective,
I can also see this been easily outmaneuvered by other scouts and will find it hard to hit them because of poor gun depression, itll be like T-54.T-62 side scrapping a Maus, this will be the kind of tank that only really good players will be able to make work.
I have compare it to the other lights, because it is a LT; but as you can see I also compare it to the mediums. As it now it is better as the Panthers L/70 (of course better as the PzV/M10, as premiums are always a litte worse) and the T-43. So if you a T-43, you lose the camo on the move factor, the accuracy department plus DPS is a tie, armor is better on the AP and had has a greater mobility.
DeleteI DONT SAY THAT THIS TANK IS GOOD. I SAY IT STATS ARE GOOD. What does this fine difference mean? It means, that has the potential to be OP, moreover with gold ammo; which ridiculous.
Your
Staufen
About: "It'll be far from op, the konisch is nice yes, when facing mainly tiers 5-8, but when facing tier 9-10s even with golds 225mm pen it still wont be enough, so youll mainly be bouncing with this thing."
DeleteThis is the case also with the other LT of his tier; thats why I have compare them. So it is for me not a argument, that the tank hasnt a higher/or the same pen as a tier X medium, as it isnt a tier X medium. It has a role on the battlefield, which more or less the other of his kind also have. Which means he has to be in balance with his other LT and MT brothers.
Your Staufen.
are you serious the other light tanks of the same tier are better in almost all ways, hmm lets see
DeleteT71, smaller(looks to have much better camo value then aufpanther till we know otherwise) almost as the same pen and damage with gold, autoloader, very good view range, very agile.
AMX13/75, smaller (again prob better camo value the aufpanther), pen not much less then and damage, autoloader, good view range, very agile.
WZ-131 smaller (agin prob better camo value then aufpanther), best pen and damage for tier 7 light using gold ammo, agile and very stronge turret.
aufpanther, big making easy to fit and hard to side scrap big tanks and impossible to do with low small tanks, prob will be slowest of all tier 7 lights, maybe bad camo value, will rely to much on gold to be effective itll prob loose one on one with other lights so balanced id be very surprised if it was truly balance
i wasnt saying it was a tier 10 or equivilant what im saying is the gun isnt good enough at tier 10 combined with a big as tank, means itll will prob suffer far more then other lights.
Do we now cheer pick stats? See, have I said something about the size? No. I have talk about the numbers (and the size isnt a number in the tank details). So again. From the stats is he better, but does it makes him a better tank? No. For example look at the IS-6, stats wise the horror, but not ingame. For example see Jingels lates review on this tank on youtube. So again. I repeat myself often, IT HAS GOOD STATS. But it doesnt mean I SAY, it is a good tank. See the different?
DeleteSecondly about your cherry picking of stats:
About:"AMX13/75, smaller (again prob better camo value the aufpanther), pen not much less then and damage, autoloader, good view range, very agile."
"pen not much less?" The pen is ridic in comparison 144/202 to 157/221 of the AMX.
Another point, if you dont mind if I now also cherry pick: The AMX has way less power to weight ratio: 19,7 to 22 for the AP. Also the hull traverse is 40 on the AMX and 44 on the AP.
About "WZ-131 smaller (agin prob better camo value then aufpanther), best pen and damage for tier 7 light using gold ammo, agile and very stronge turret." The turret is 45/35/20mm. Is this for you a VERY strong turret?
About: "i wasnt saying it was a tier 10 or equivilant what im saying is the gun isnt good enough at tier 10 combined with a big as tank, means itll will prob suffer far more then other lights."
As the other LTs and MEDIUMS too; thats the point. Why should he better as the others? Because this thing is huge or has no gun depression? If the answer is yes, I will show you some other tanks wioth no depression and bigger size. Secondly, If you face hug a enemy higher tier tank, or ask for even higher pen or DPM as 1990; I dont know what I have to tell. I think you make, then a big mistake in driveing your LTs and MTs.
* This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check)
* This tank, as I also said before has no gun depression.... (makes a John Stewart check)
* This tank, as I also said before has GOOD STATS.... (makes a John Stewart check)
Those it means it is a good tank? Maybe Yes, maybe No. But gold will bring this tank in the "Yes corner".
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DeleteI had a typo... It should say: "wasnt"
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It is still the wrong Ausführung G hull on this thing. It should be or lets say.... If this thing would be made 42 (and wasnt trashed); it would have the D hull or A hull.
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why the hell r u bring MT into this, this tank has nothing to do with them, were talking about a light tank, and scraping along side a tank bigger then u is a viable tactic thank you and have used it and seen it used to great effect either you dont play lights urself or are the kind of player that sits in a corner all game with their lights.
DeleteOh and to the WZ-131, why dont you eat your own words about stats mate, on paper is thin but actually its shape makes it very effective and iv seen that turret bounce tier 10 guns thank you.
Sorry to say but size does have a factor, bigger the tank easier to hit, so regardless of how agile the AP maybe it size will still bring it down, which is why the other tier 7 lights do so well, harder to hit easier to hide.
Gold will not bring this into the yes corner, when again its size will let it down flanking is very hard in this game and this tank will be spotted(unless the devs giv it a good camo factor) before other lights.
Sorry to say your argument is mute, having the konisch will not make it any better then without it and to be honest the 105 will be a far more effective weapon as itll damage regardless of no pens, which is better then a gun which will potentially bounce almost every shot.
According the supertest the only good thing about this tank is its ability to ram other lights to death, which to me doesnt sound like a very effective tank if thats the only good thing then weres the konisch, i know because its not that effective when youll be facing mostly tier 10s,
sorry but this will prob be a fail tank, regardless of the amount of gold.
Ill eat my own words if its good, but i can not see it been so when other tier 7 lights are better.
AGAIN ILL REPEAT SIZE DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
(maybe youve been a bit blind but the most effective scouts have been small notice that SMALL, not freaking huge like the AP is.
You say "maybe it's not for scouting" - so what for it is? For pure DPM? Then take VK2801, it has ~3300 DPM with 150 pen on gold and is smaller, faster and one tier lower.
DeleteAs I see you havent still read my comment my friend.
Delete* This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check)
Secondly I play LTs see my stats. Thirdly, you still dont get it or? See the DPM of the WZ is 1600. Now, see the different? By a accuracy of 0.39? See the different?
And next...About: ", i know because its not that effective when youll be facing mostly tier 10s, " As the other tank guns. Do you still dont understand this? And this should be the goal my friend. That this tank is in balance with its other tanks. AS I SAID EARLIER. Next point.... as I ALSO SAID, SIZE ISNT A STATS. Thats why I skiped your incoherent rambling about the size. And I can repeat myself all day long:
* This tank, as I said before is HUGE.... (makes a John Stewart check)
* This tank, as I also said before has no gun depression.... (makes a John Stewart check)
* This tank, as I also said before has GOOD STATS.... (makes a John Stewart check)
P.S. I have my own opinion about Howitzers and the 105 on the VK. And yes I have told also Tazilion :). As for me, this gun shouldnt be on the VK or the AP; alos its gold ammo should be nerfed to the dead. The same counts for the konisch on the AP. You cant have it all sorry dude. * A gun which never misses? 0.34 Best on tier 7.
* And does more alpha then any other 75mm gun? AMX=135, L/70=135, T-71=150.
* Why higher DPM as any other tank, even top DPM next to the T-43? Where the WZ has just 1612.
So long story short. WG has ones nerfed the E-50M as it had the same DPM as any other tier X med, but do its accuracy it never missed; so that the damage on target was higher; in the same time of course thru the same DPM was the potential damage at least the same for ALL. But for WG, SerB, wasnt it a argument that the other tanks could make potential the same damage/DPM as the E50M. So they nerfed the DPM. And thats the point you dont get. If I understand you right, you have not a problem that this gun is the most accurate by miles and in the same time has highest DMP? Lets look at the WZ again: 1612 DPM, by a accuracy of 0.39. Which is fair by me, it has as trade off for the low DPM and accuracy a good alpha of 250. That is balance. But to have it all isnt and thats my point. The aplha is the highest for a 75-76mm gun + best accuracy of a 75mm gun (not counting the L/100 of the panther) + highest DPM (next to the T-43). Those arent bad numbers, even very good. The same counts for other NUMBERS in his stats. BUT I REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN. DOES IT MEAN IT IS A GOOD TANK? Maybe yes, maybe no. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS: STATS ARE GOOD.
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WZ-131 accuracy is 0.36 on the 85mm. Most players i've seen on it use that instead of the 100mm gun.
DeleteStaufen you do realise no matter how good it's stats are it still will get seen from afar?
DeletePlus it gets bad MM which prevents it from being "OP".
Also, derp on 2801 is the only thing that makes it good anymore.Remove that on VK and A panther, you get a smellier POS.
Hi SS!
ReplyDeleteOn the screens from yesterday with the specs, it wasnt clear what the viewrange for this POS will be. Do you have any info on that and will it have 2 turrets?
The VK2801 turret is the elite one, stock turret is from Leopard. Not sure about range.
Deleteok - thx
DeleteWhy i am palying WT. There is no this kinf of fucking moronic tanks @ here. Where is the real tanks like nashorn marder 3? They continue adding this kind of shit to game. Ofc my wg wasted my money on stupit third grade copy of WT and Cyprus banks...
ReplyDeleteWT is a totaly different game...and it sucks hard...it's too easy die and kill someone it's an achivment, new money system sucks even you pay,like wot no help to learn how to play proprely every plane...
DeleteObvious troll replying to self is obvious...go bugger off to LoL if you hate WoT that bad.
DeleteAside that i doubt that this will work gameplay wise.
ReplyDeletewhat really pisses me off is the kind of attitude wg is showing by bringing such a tank.
they obviously dont give a shit about german tanks.
They show zero effort and enthusiasm in creating an interesting, historical and fun-to play german t7 light. no, they just put some models already used together and create( recycle)- in my opinion- the most lame tank in the game.
If u look at SS article about the aufkl.Panther, u see what it could have been. It could have been a unique tank based on an interesting historical concept.
What do we get? Some Frankenstein tank...Its like letting the cleaning lady modelling german tanks is the most dedication towards german tanks we can expect from wg...
Dafuq are you on about? What's up there is basically exactly what the historical concept *was* - a Panther hull with a teeny-weeny turret scavenged from a light-tank project on it.
DeleteDunno WTF they were smnoking when they came up with that scheme, but the fact nothing came out of it says something about how workable the military thought it.
what really pisses me off is the kind of attitude the wehrmacht is showing by bringing such a tank.
DeleteThey show zero effort and enthusiasm in creating an interesting, historical and fun-to play german t7 light. no, they just put some models already used together and create( recycle)- in my opinion- the most lame tank in the war.
is it wg's fault the germans wanted to have a scout based on the panther?
i ll just hope tier 8 light tank worth the effort,if not bye bye german light tanks.i have seen some pictures of RU but i dont know the size of it.if it is big like this i ll stay to T71,sell vk2801=1 garage slot more:-)
ReplyDeleteWargayming plz
ReplyDeleteThis POS just takes anti-German bias to a whole new level.
It's not WG's fault that Nazi really wanted to use the Panther as a recon tank, "blame this on the misfortune of your Germanic birth" (no one will get this reference, I'm sure of it).
DeleteChar: "Hey, Garma! Do you read me? Blame this on the misfortune of your birth!"
DeleteGarma: "What?! Misfortune?!"
Char: "You were indeed a good friend to me. Don't take it personally; you can thank your father for this."
Garma: "You've double-crossed me, Char?!"
Don't go challenging the resident Japanese.
60 km/h is too slow for a tank that big as tier 7, we need the old bullet speed from the old vk2801. The mighty 72km/h.
ReplyDeleteIf this handles as good or better as the old tier 9 Panther II, then I'll drive the crap out of it.
ReplyDeleteI think you guys are selling it short based on preconceptions regarding the Panther hull and what it can/can't do.
This, from a self-avowed German tank fanboy who rants about WG anti-German bias.
is that a tank?? (@_+)
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