tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post7653060697808841824..comments2023-11-05T11:52:06.343+01:00Comments on For the Record: Overlord answers some questions on 8.4 and other topicsSilentstalkerFTRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03345351411597408992noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-58548082949569170342013-02-23T23:53:56.976+01:002013-02-23T23:53:56.976+01:00This is the explanation of the best skill based MM...This is the explanation of the best skill based MM ive seen so far<br /><br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/skilllevelexplanation.png/ <br /><br />Together with bash points where low skilled players are honored with opportunity to be bashed and watch how the game is meant to be played.<br /><br />"Bash Points are DotAlicious' new way of keeping people in their skill level.<br /><br />Everybody starts with 10 bash points and will gain or lose points when playing games:<br /><br />You pay Bash Points, when you play below your skill level. The formula is:<br /> Bash Point Cost = Your skill level - the games skill level<br /><br />This means,<br /><br /> you will get two Bash Points, when you play in your skill level,<br /> you will lose one Bash Points when playing one level below your skill level and<br /> you will lose two Bash Points when playing two levels below your skill level<br /> and so on <br /><br /><br />You cannot have more than 10 BashPoints!<br />If you don't have enough BashPoints left, you cannot join the game!"<br /><br />This is the pure skill ranking and its working great at Dotalicious. But, don't fool ourselves people, such things cant be implemented here, nor im keen to see it. Notabloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11029729289818443955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-58517860288702479312013-02-22T06:11:38.773+01:002013-02-22T06:11:38.773+01:00I want the Wipes so people who can't be proved...I want the Wipes so people who can't be proved "Worthy" over the constant losing such as my clan can at least earn some gold from a neutral land take but thanks for the response.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16072809665388253234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-82906961895114543932013-02-21T10:59:53.622+01:002013-02-21T10:59:53.622+01:00"WW2 is "real life" but chess is no..."WW2 is "real life" but chess is not?"<br />So we mourn the thousands of chess pawns that die every day.<br /><br />DasNiveauAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-36443376079799574062013-02-21T10:53:12.407+01:002013-02-21T10:53:12.407+01:00About Skill MM.
why can't simply implement an...About Skill MM.<br /><br />why can't simply implement another game type such as<br /><br />Winners of the day play against other winners until only 30 players are left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-2235683284338349572013-02-21T09:52:09.858+01:002013-02-21T09:52:09.858+01:00Zmeul, skill based MM can have many different form...Zmeul, skill based MM can have many different forms. All are bad for good players. All versions of such MM have many flaws. <br /><br />And balanicing skill in WoT is almost impossible. It adds extreme complexity to MM. Cause you not only have to balance tanks, but tanks need same players, so if one team will get X tier tanks with 2000 effi player, then MM need to find for other team the same tier tank with similar player. In many situations it will take ages. And it need to balance that way all tanks in both teams!<br /><br />Skill based MM in WoT random battles is total fantasy. And if he would be introduced, then good players would have much less victories then now.Dead_Skin_Maskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740849570813332060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-35988017462492148642013-02-21T09:43:21.700+01:002013-02-21T09:43:21.700+01:00They had this idea before anybody hard about War T...They had this idea before anybody hard about War Thunder.Dead_Skin_Maskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740849570813332060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-31845420658145974572013-02-21T04:37:10.587+01:002013-02-21T04:37:10.587+01:00Now, when you say it like that, it makes a lot mor...Now, when you say it like that, it makes a lot more sense. I guess I could get behind that. Typically I'm stubbornly rooted in my ways, but I'd be willing to try an MM like that, at least for a while.Gorrecihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18086312357961783219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-84833401455431044862013-02-21T03:37:03.635+01:002013-02-21T03:37:03.635+01:00Well, chess is a game, like World Of Tanks...Well, chess is a game, like World Of Tanks...fattolerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315995076317496087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-33778869148412148752013-02-21T00:30:22.631+01:002013-02-21T00:30:22.631+01:00@ Gorreci
I have nothing against weaker clans.
But...@ Gorreci<br />I have nothing against weaker clans.<br />But I'm justified in being aggressive towards people who cannot win a fight so they blame those who play better making conspiracy theories that it's their fault.<br /><br />When Fusion reformed from Rebellion they were back on map in no time.<br />When greys were pushed out of the map, they reclaimed half of western europe in less then 2 weeks.<br />Orange clans are back on map 3-4 days after they are wiped.<br /><br />So it's not riddiculousnes of fighting for a landing that keeps weak clans from landing. It's them loosing practically all their battles after they land.<br /><br />And with the way CW works - even best clan will struggle to go over 80% win ratio since there is a random factor ine very battle, limited number of tokens available, revolts, landing zones being unreachable when you are on map - recapturing your territory will take a week or two. Every 2 months if i remember correctly.<br /><br />It's the same mechanism like: from time to time your tokens will disappear from the map so your opponent can take some of your land for free to make chances more even.<br />That's fair?<br /><br /><br />What is even more annoying is OL publicly stating that wipes are a way to squeeze in clans to weak to land on their own by removing good clans from the map (and by good clans I mean here 70-100 clans currently on the map, even thos who win 1 battle out of 4 against us)<br /><br />@ Anonymous<br />if less developed clan has a decent players and someone capable to lead, they will not whine on the forums, they will appply for landing, fight and sooner or later they will be among best clans.<br />BIA<br />FBFU<br />IIBII<br />O-S-C<br />A-P<br /><br />those clans were fresh and new or weak at some point and now they keep their land - I'm not talking about Kazna here for example which was created from veterans but about clans that started from scratch and are good enough or among top clans now.<br /><br />if CW are supposed to be competitive PVP then some people will be to weak to achieve success and you can't tweak the game until even PATO will hold few provinces.Gorzkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043280145766182988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-88763625447775950072013-02-21T00:12:12.469+01:002013-02-21T00:12:12.469+01:00@ Christopher Hester
The point is after the wipe t...@ Christopher Hester<br />The point is after the wipe the same clans will be on map.<br />Because they are simply way better.<br />Not because they are already there.<br />The only difference is that every wipe we will have some time of chaos reclaiming what was taken from us by wipe.<br /><br />I can understand introducing wipes for some other reason (like making incentive for clans to start in completely different area or because first day when everything settles down are statistically more interesting then later ones)<br />But claiming that wipes are made to hurt best clans because others are too weak to get on map, that is riddiculous.<br /><br />Everyone can play CW, because everyone can apply to the landing.<br />Everyone can play in the tournament.<br />But to get rewards from tournament / take land on CW, you need to prove yourself worthy.<br /><br />The only way how regular wipes can change who will be on the map is if some of currently best clans will get discouraged by wipes from playing. <br />That's WG goal?Gorzkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043280145766182988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-85631957424108778892013-02-20T23:59:27.531+01:002013-02-20T23:59:27.531+01:00not really.
OL's opinion was that skill based ...not really.<br />OL's opinion was that skill based mm means "having hardest opponents possible"<br /><br />While it's completely opposite: skill based mm means that you will never (ideally) have a team where you are 1 good players against 7 good players or that you have 7 great teammates and all enemies are weak.<br /><br />I dont mind playing with all other players weak in both teams (with 1 player in opposing team being on my level).<br />I just hate the fact, that out of 10 battles 8 is decided (in my favour or against it) by who is on which side and it doesn't matter how I will play.<br /><br />So if you would be improving then 1 player on opposite team would be better each game - but your contribution will be crucial in almost every battle.<br /><br />WG doesn't acknowledge that - either they can't or they don't want, they always assume that any suggestion with "skill" means "let's make noob ghetto and pro ghetto".Gorzkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043280145766182988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-79457893821061329122013-02-20T23:53:43.206+01:002013-02-20T23:53:43.206+01:00But Frank, OL's statement shows absolute ignor...But Frank, OL's statement shows absolute ignorance on the topic.<br />Either he don't understand what he talks about or he had something completely else in mind and miscommunicated (though such assumption is quite improbable).<br /><br />Come on, if someone says that earth is flat then you should be able to say that this is bulshit, not that "we have to agree to disagree on that".<br />I agree calling him a moron is not right, but ignorant on the topic and blatanty wrong - that no one can deny.<br /><br />Gorzkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043280145766182988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-85926613552772698442013-02-20T23:48:02.988+01:002013-02-20T23:48:02.988+01:00@Gorreci
I am not aggressive towards weaker clans ...@Gorreci<br />I am not aggressive towards weaker clans in general.<br /><br />But people who are to weak to even land and blame others for their inability instead of improving deserve all the bashing they get.<br />People who don't bother to find out how much top clans have to fight to keep their lands and accuse everyone of napping and farming only are simply stupid.<br />Developers not realising consequences of what they are doing and reducing clans abilities to fight in order to promote more fight are simply incompetent.<br />People who never were able to land on map arguing they know better then me how CW should look like - come on, that's riddiculous.<br /><br /><br />Come on just look how long it took fusion to get back on map when they formed. Or how long it took Greys to be back on map after they were wiped.<br />The reason why there is no more clans on the map is that clans out of the map are simply too weak to win enough to stay there.<br />Wiping won't help there except for short period after wipe.<br /><br />@ anonymous<br />If less developed clan has good players it will grow, train, improve and then capture and defend territories on map.<br />So where is the problem?<br /><br />But if it is a clan like PATO who has weak players with weak commanders, then I don't see why they should be able to land and keep territories on the map.<br /><br />CW are supposed to be COMPETITIVE PVP. So you can try, but if you are weak you will never be ablee to achieve something else then playing on landing.<br /><br />Following your reasoning, let's make hard cap on 2 provinces per clan. Lets make every province a landing zone. Or let's make tournaments where everyone wins.<br />Then we will have long established game that caters for all it's customers.<br /><br />Gorzkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043280145766182988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-44828461713957658382013-02-20T23:26:28.949+01:002013-02-20T23:26:28.949+01:00I agree, winrate is not the decisive factor in ski...I agree, winrate is not the decisive factor in skill. That doesn't change the fact that many players like to see their contributions in a more immediate manner than 'oh, now I'm only 12,000 players from the top, instead of 15,000.'<br /><br />When I said what his point was, I was re-iterating what's been the explanation before, regarding skill-based MM.There is no right or wrong here, only opinions. I'm only stating mine because you're stating yours as if they're facts.<br /><br />Regardless, many Wargaming devs (particularly SerB) have said (repeatedly and definitively) that there will never be skill-based MM in random matches. I can guess that you're looking forward to have skill-based MM for the special matches mentioned in this article.Gorrecihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18086312357961783219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-23291772471520781232013-02-20T23:05:57.608+01:002013-02-20T23:05:57.608+01:00War Thunder has 'garage battles' in Arcad...War Thunder has 'garage battles' in Arcade, players enter the battle with all planes in the garage (in that game every nation has it's own garage) When you get killed in one, you can jump into an other plane and continue until you run out of prepared airplanes or exit the battle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12049579831453704854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-46416141409870604082013-02-20T22:52:42.124+01:002013-02-20T22:52:42.124+01:00WW2 is "real life" but chess is not?
go...WW2 is "real life" but chess is not?<br /><br />good god the children of these times are complete ignorantszMeulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714165326041953780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-57667530707992520872013-02-20T22:27:42.882+01:002013-02-20T22:27:42.882+01:00Anyway THIS is SS own blog, and if doesn't wan...Anyway THIS is SS own blog, and if doesn't want you to behave HERE like the first human (known as homo WOTus) you should respect that.testnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-90285576834863506982013-02-20T22:00:51.595+01:002013-02-20T22:00:51.595+01:00You need to wake up and shut up. "In real lif...You need to wake up and shut up. "In real life". As in WWII, the actual fighting. <br />And yeah, I'm fine with the current matchmaking. And some of us are. I do see your point, but half of the reason I play this game is to pawn noobs. Ktistaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15780836352505887148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-10605963234832828412013-02-20T21:31:58.900+01:002013-02-20T21:31:58.900+01:00huh?!!?
what about the ELO rating system for chess...huh?!!?<br />what about the ELO rating system for chess<br /><br />system that is the basis, of course with tweaks tailored to each type of game, for many skill based match makers<br /><br />Riot's League of Legends has such a system, but Riot has spent a great deal of time and money to perfect their system<br />http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/MatchmakingzMeulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714165326041953780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-29502175480744480222013-02-20T21:12:00.600+01:002013-02-20T21:12:00.600+01:00I would love every 6 month CW wipes I'd like t...I would love every 6 month CW wipes I'd like to taste CW not look at the clan board to see the same person on the global map for 2 years or more, nobody likes that and to all the ones that get pissy about them doing/wanting CW wipes from time to time if you weren't Mr.best at WOT, then you would be in the same boat as us all, either way.. <br /><br />Thanks for the bit of info! <br /><br />Also what is Garage Battles i hear about it all the time but no clue what it is? Is it just another thing for Historical battles?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16072809665388253234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-42372884580283549092013-02-20T20:58:34.303+01:002013-02-20T20:58:34.303+01:00So they want to copy warthunder?So they want to copy warthunder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-19437148084430227202013-02-20T20:44:08.719+01:002013-02-20T20:44:08.719+01:00A battle which you can enter with more than vehicl...A battle which you can enter with more than vehicles from your garage - you play one, when it gets destroyed you enter with another one etc. - at least that was the original plan.SilentstalkerFTRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03345351411597408992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-27408520811961404442013-02-20T19:40:32.235+01:002013-02-20T19:40:32.235+01:00Can someone please explain to me what the proposed...Can someone please explain to me what the proposed "garage battles" are? -CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-49622228494359025102013-02-20T19:25:40.293+01:002013-02-20T19:25:40.293+01:00Zmeul and others have always communicated with ove...Zmeul and others have always communicated with overlord in rather forthright terms. OL never seems to mind - to his credit. As to making the blog in his own time, presumably that's speculation as I rather doubt that you are party to the terms of Mr Yudo's contractual arrangements with WG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-34067924974076111142013-02-20T18:59:25.865+01:002013-02-20T18:59:25.865+01:00Well let's be honest here, there wasn't an...Well let's be honest here, there wasn't any skill-based matchmaking in real life. ;)fattolerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315995076317496087noreply@blogger.com