tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post6515816742352666267..comments2023-11-05T11:52:06.343+01:00Comments on For the Record: HE in real lifeSilentstalkerFTRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03345351411597408992noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-71355968133289931052014-11-18T05:15:56.737+01:002014-11-18T05:15:56.737+01:00LOL tanks in game are visually cut off at around 5...LOL tanks in game are visually cut off at around 500mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-39842604379271122242013-11-14T08:14:26.954+01:002013-11-14T08:14:26.954+01:00Yea, you know, those Russian tanks with autoloader...Yea, you know, those Russian tanks with autoloaders.Paul Bussardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14433645497426213523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-78287348378581355022013-05-15T09:36:57.283+02:002013-05-15T09:36:57.283+02:00The 88L56 had a ROF of 25 rpm as AA/ AT gun, shoul...The 88L56 had a ROF of 25 rpm as AA/ AT gun, should we have this in game as well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-8204189302573218492013-04-10T23:52:05.851+02:002013-04-10T23:52:05.851+02:00From what I could make out only one shot is actual...From what I could make out only one shot is actually described as striking the hull (or rather superstructure) side, the rest seemed to end up in various parts of the running gear either by accident or design.<br />*shrug*<br />I'm willing to believe the 76mm gun packed more explosive than the 75mm, presumably by being designed for lower velocity ergo having thinner walls and more payload; but I must be a tad sceptical of the difference being *that* dramatic, as the last I checked the US 75mm was a direct evolution of the old French Soixante-Quinze field gun and by all accounts both packed a quite sufficient explosive charge for the usual "battlefield demolition" duties such guns were required to carry out.Kellomiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-4193630291706520192013-04-10T20:41:02.824+02:002013-04-10T20:41:02.824+02:00Maybe it was map limitation, but I remember, that ...Maybe it was map limitation, but I remember, that at ~800 meter tanks vanished into the grey fog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12049579831453704854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-35602064721533555832013-04-10T20:05:45.035+02:002013-04-10T20:05:45.035+02:00Wrong, the game didn't have 800m drawn distanc...Wrong, the game didn't have 800m drawn distance because of engine limitation, Darkest Hour, which was the same engine, allowed for 1700+m shots with Pz IV, and boy, it was fun. In RO shots from 1200+m were possible from what I remember, however, on many maps the "fog" made firing at longer range very difficult. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08667702624810361292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-32996179858982386592013-04-10T17:56:45.921+02:002013-04-10T17:56:45.921+02:00Pretty much all RoF figures in the game have been ...Pretty much all RoF figures in the game have been buffed. Usually its at around 2 times faster for WoT, though it can be slightly less or more. So, all vehicles have buffed RoFAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02606342673358725597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-48163149010829897192013-04-10T16:55:59.749+02:002013-04-10T16:55:59.749+02:00Red Orchestra had a mod, which made the tank optic...Red Orchestra had a mod, which made the tank optics historically accurate.<br />After months of playing every day 2-3 hours...<br />in a Panther with it's Carl Zeiss optic, I was able to hit a ~20*20cm part of a standing tank from 800m (maximum drawn distance, game engine limitation).<br />in a T-34, I thanked God, if I hit the enemy from that distance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12049579831453704854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-66950117944331524512013-04-10T16:30:56.474+02:002013-04-10T16:30:56.474+02:00Well, makes my wonder...
why did anyone bother wit...Well, makes my wonder...<br />why did anyone bother with AP guns. 88L56? How about 88mm howitzer spamming HE shells at KV and T-34 tanks - of course with a much bigger explosive charge compared to 88L56 (historically 88L56 fired fragmentation-oriented HE shells, our fictional howitzer would be all around explosives) - such gun would be small enough to fit in pz IV tanks I guess, and would be super-devastating according to those tests (if 76mm shell can just easily demolish Pz IV, then what would 88mm HE shell have achieved!). <br />Why would ANYONE bother with high velocity, huge guns like 88L71, inaccurate HEAT shells for 105mm guns etc. if you can achieve much greater results with a simple, cheap, accurate HE? <br />105mm howitzer = ultimate anti-tank gun of world war II apparently. Yet for some reason both Soviets and Germans and US and Brits all eventually went for high-velocity, long-barreled lower caliber guns. 17-pounder, 85mm Zis, 88L71 and 75L70. 122mm gun of IS-tank was mainly a bunker/fortification busting tool, at least in theory, because IS was supposed to be a breakthrough-tank, not "tank-on-tank" fighter, but it had a long barrel to use powerfull AP. Why would ANYONE bother with powerfull AP out of 122mm gun, if HE would just break Tiger tank apart and take it out of a fight in 1 shot, no matter where it hits, as long as the fuse is ignited?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08667702624810361292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-42784370723368287792013-04-10T11:51:41.483+02:002013-04-10T11:51:41.483+02:00Peter, get serious.
122mm gun firing 25kg, two-st...Peter, get serious.<br /><br />122mm gun firing 25kg, two-stage (!) ammunition, without any kind of automatic or semi-automatic loader, 6 times per minute? And this is ridiculous without even taking other factors into account, like massive recoil of the gun, cramped turret or stress of battle. Even all of this is still an ideal situation, since you also have to acquire target, estimate distance and movement, and then fire.<br /><br />Workers fighting in a tank? LATER models? Oh, dear...<br /><br />So, once again: please explain us some discrepancies between this game and real-life performance and don't waste time on stupidities like overmatching HE shells hitting thin armor.<br /><br />--<br />ActionManAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-83075340073184948752013-04-10T06:58:34.368+02:002013-04-10T06:58:34.368+02:00So, US, UK are also the victors, does this make th...So, US, UK are also the victors, does this make their reports less reliable?<br /><br />LN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-2409471286544571132013-04-10T00:49:26.897+02:002013-04-10T00:49:26.897+02:00The biggest problem with large caliber HE mechanic...The biggest problem with large caliber HE mechanics is they would apply to arty, giving them a MASSIVE buff.Tedster59https://www.blogger.com/profile/03250784315868072030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-39863179242453393362013-04-10T00:22:46.855+02:002013-04-10T00:22:46.855+02:00That is after effect of people not having screen o...That is after effect of people not having screen off the size of RL tank, on 30" screen tank at 1500m would be way too small to aim at it, so ranges got compressed.<br />Effectively you can multiply ranges by 3 to get historical ranges they represent.<br />bojanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17185942985653222470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-58196743162546200942013-04-10T00:13:49.249+02:002013-04-10T00:13:49.249+02:00The latter shots were at the side. The document ta...The latter shots were at the side. The document talks about shooting at the rollers. You can even see in the side of the StuG in the image, with the HE splash.<br /><br />As for AP, there were sometimes difficulties with getting one kind of round or another. It is very possible that the Lees did not come with any AP shells to test. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-73454523398960903792013-04-10T00:11:10.366+02:002013-04-10T00:11:10.366+02:00You mean like the incredibly OP AMX'es, like t...You mean like the incredibly OP AMX'es, like the incredibly OP T110E5/E4 or the T57?Viktor Kitovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15006480735467688953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-71312720086779816472013-04-10T00:10:49.423+02:002013-04-10T00:10:49.423+02:00.__.
Taken directly from the linked blogpost:
&quo....__.<br />Taken directly from the linked blogpost:<br />"It's the Lee's turn next, firing HE shells from its 75 mm gun. <br /><br />The first shot, from a distance of 800 meters, hits the front armour. The 50 mm thick plate shows no signs of damage."<br /><br />So, yeah.<br />Anyways given that the sponson gun wasn't exactly a howitzer but more or less the same thing the Sherman was later armed with I must slightly wonder why they only tried HE? Surely there was no shortage of AP available - or was it already sufficiently well established the 75mm had little trouble with that amount of armour?Kellomiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-50462387718541018222013-04-10T00:01:39.135+02:002013-04-10T00:01:39.135+02:00Both guns were shooting at the 30 mm thick side ar...Both guns were shooting at the 30 mm thick side armour.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-86967767989295166562013-04-09T23:26:14.399+02:002013-04-09T23:26:14.399+02:00You must be new to this game. Anyone who had the d...You must be new to this game. Anyone who had the dismal pleasure to fight against the old KV, KV-3 or IS-4 knows well that russian bias used to be a fact. True, WG finally admitted those tanks were blatantly OP and took steps to balance them, so russian bias no longer exists (I believe), but people who deny it ever existed are, well, not very smart nor perceptive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-81134466135709076552013-04-09T23:24:05.167+02:002013-04-09T23:24:05.167+02:00>Of course, those were also Soviet tests, which...>Of course, those were also Soviet tests, which more people regard as propaganda for some reason.<br />Some people, Peter, only some people think that. Keep up the good work and ignore the kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-44072812620571891642013-04-09T23:02:12.310+02:002013-04-09T23:02:12.310+02:00TBH I doth suspect a thin Pz III side *would* be a...TBH I doth suspect a thin Pz III side *would* be a more receptive target than the comparatively tough front of a StuG...Kellomiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-58428197116469345392013-04-09T23:00:31.336+02:002013-04-09T23:00:31.336+02:00"And now try to explain how the zis is more a..."And now try to explain how the zis is more accurate than the 7,5?"<br /><br />Higher velocity = flatter trajectory, shorter flight time etc.; the Usual Suspects. Plus in this case less recoil to affect the gun I'd guess.<br />Anything else?Kellomiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-3576988622409165602013-04-09T22:38:11.612+02:002013-04-09T22:38:11.612+02:00If you want to refer to German penetration tables ...If you want to refer to German penetration tables of the ZiS-4, you are more than welcome to.<br /><br />As for the ROF, it varied greatly based on the skill of the loader. During the initial tests, Koshkin famously replaced the test crew with his own workers, doubling the rate of fire. In later IS and ISU models, the gun recoil mechanism was improved, giving the loader more room to maneuver, and increasing the ROF.<br /><br />Of course, those were also Soviet tests, which more people regard as propaganda for some reason.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-76369141502842095712013-04-09T22:32:36.822+02:002013-04-09T22:32:36.822+02:00Maybe the field gun version of 122mm d25 could do ...Maybe the field gun version of 122mm d25 could do 3-4 RPM, but the IS series hade a ROF of only 2 RPM<br /><br />/AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-58870264221584941452013-04-09T22:29:35.230+02:002013-04-09T22:29:35.230+02:00"by soviets test"--nuff said....
And no..."by soviets test"--nuff said....<br /><br />And now try to explain how the zis is more accurate than the 7,5?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-803236411311363895.post-70938616404176221552013-04-09T22:24:05.107+02:002013-04-09T22:24:05.107+02:00"Range: 800 meters. Target: commander's c..."Range: 800 meters. Target: commander's cupola. Direct hit."<br /><br /><br />Buahahahhah, nice accuracy of that T-34. In WoT most tanks wouldn't even believe to hit a tank from that distance :PHarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06836586398207072987noreply@blogger.com